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Posted: June 07 2004, 18:15

First of all, sorry to Olivier and Korgscrew for posting something that's only very slightly on topic ... if it is at all. :)

Ever since Jimmy Page first played on stage his double-neck guitar (which, according to Pagey himself, was built for strictly practical reasons), I've seen lots of people playing guitars having weird or however unusual shapes. Here are some examples:

- To remain in the Zeppelin field: John Paul Jones sometimes played a cool acoustic instrument with three necks, being (from top to bottom) a mandolin, a 12 string and a 6 string guitar.
- Steve Vai has a heart-shaped guitar with three necks (two normal, one backwards), and AFAIK he can play on all three of them. :)
- In 1980, an Italian pop band made a song called S.O.S. [no, it wasn't a cover of the Abba hit... :)]. When they played it in TV shows, they had a guitar, a bass and another guitar respectively shaped like the letters S, O and S.
- Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick has got lots and lots of guitars with weird shapes, all made especially for him by Hamer, including an absurd one with five necks [which I'm not inclined to think he ever played in a recording studio... :D], and another funny one, called 'Uncle Dick', which is shaped like a cartoon-like little man, the two necks being his legs. You can see them  here and here.
- I've recently seen some pictures of Joe Satriani with a transparent guitar, but I don't know if he actually plays it or not.

What I'd like to ask to you all is: what do you think, in general, of non-standard guitars with unusual shapes? Are they just a way for their owners to show off, or do they really count something as valuable musical instruments? All opinions, of course, are welcome.


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Posted: June 07 2004, 21:11

Some are obviously just for show, and very cool because of it! The sight of something like Prince with his symbol shaped guitar screams so much of rock/pop image-overload that it's fantastic! I wonder if he had the guitar in mind when he changed his name to that thing...

More recently, John Paul Jones has been playing a triple necked mandolin by Andy Manson - with standard, octave and bass mandolin necks (the bass mandolin being something unique to him, different to the mando bass which was popular in the 1920s). He does an act which involves creating loops using it - he'll play a part on one neck, loop it digitally, then layer another part on top. Whether he bought the instrument because he had a need to do that kind of thing, or whether he bought it first and later worked out how to use it, I don't know (more likely the latter - after all, it is a nice toy)!

I've been tempted by the idea of a multi-necked instrument just for the convenience of not having to switch between too many different ones (it makes really quick switches possible too), but they're relatively cumbersome things, practical in some ways, impractical in others (think of the amount of space a triple necked mando-tar in a flightcase takes up!).

Mike (to bring this on topic!) owned a Gibson twin neck guitar/bass for a while. It seems he didn't think too much of it as an instrument, as he no longer owns it (I believe that David Porter bought it). I don't think Jimmy Page thinks a great deal of his either, though of course, the instrument will forever be associated with him, no matter how many people have played them before and since.

There are guitars like the Flying V of course - those are shaped purely for the flash factor (try playing a Flying V sitting down without it slipping off...but of course, who would want to play a Flying V sitting down, apart from perhaps Ant in the Moonlight Shadow video?)...many others follow in its footsteps, all trying to outdo each other in the most extreme styling stakes.
In contrast, there are guitars like the Klein - an extreme looking design, but one created with balance in mind. In its case, ergonomics guided the styling, rather than styling dictating ergonomics.
I'd be more likely to play a Klein than a Flying V (indeed, for a little while now, I've had an instrument in the works of my own design which shares a small amount in common with the Klein), though for certain styles of music, the V has an undeniably cool image.
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Posted: June 08 2004, 03:58

I've mentioned it on the IRC channel before, but The Scorpions' Rudolf Schenker's acoustic Flying V must be the most ridiculous guitar I've ever seen.
That said, I have a soft spot for all things heavy metal, including Flying V and Randy Rhoads models, though I wouldn't dream of playing either myself.
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Posted: June 08 2004, 05:46

Speaking of Joe Satriani's transparent guitar, there are pictures of it on The Ibanez Register (it's the JS2K under the Anniversary heading) as well as a few other funny looking ones. I once saw in a guitar shop a transparent green guitar. It makes me wonder how some of these things actually sound: unless they come up with transparent wood, they'd have to be made of plastic, and that can't be good for the sound (guitars are made of wood for a reason! ). In these cases I'm sure that looks over-ride sound at least a bit, and all those strange designs must throw the balance of the guitar a bit. Of course, if the work then they certainly are proper instruments. Double/Triple necked guitars certainly have a use, but they must be so heavy and cumbersome. I've seen Chris Squire with a triple necked bass guitar (it's on his website if anyone want's to see it) and I can only imagine how much that would hurt your back. Something like Steve Howe does, where he holds one guitar and has another on a little stand at playing height ready to use, would be much better in my opinion.

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Posted: June 09 2004, 15:25

The most famous (and I think the first, certainly commercially speaking) transparent guitar would be the Ampeg Dan Armstrong. They were made out of plexiglass (acrylic), which was actually chosen for its sound - being very hard, it helps the notes to sustain for a long time. Hard materials do tend to have a 'harder' sound, though, which isn't what everyone is looking for.
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Posted: June 15 2004, 19:55

I found some interesting acoustic guitars designed by Mike Doolin - http://www.doolinguitars.com/custom.html

The double-necked guitar here consists of two identical registers tuned to DADGAD so that intricate polyphonic parts can be tapped out

Be sure to check out the video excerpts of Justin King playing the instrument. Amazing!
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Posted: June 19 2004, 05:30

Not actually a guitar, but probably close enough (at least for Mike, considering his attitude to MIDI) : The Synthaxe
http://www.hollis.co.uk/john/synthaxe.html
Found that on a Lee Ritenour cover browsing through second-hand records (where I happened to find at least a blue vinyl 12" Guilty for 2,50 EUR...).
Don't remember reading about it before, so I guess Mike never used it?
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Posted: April 02 2005, 09:40

Quote (Korgscrew @ June 07 2004, 21:11)
Mike (to bring this on topic!;) owned a Gibson twin neck guitar/bass for a while. It seems he didn't think too much of it as an instrument, as he no longer owns it (I believe that David Porter bought it). I don't think Jimmy Page thinks a great deal of his either, though of course, the instrument will forever be associated with him, no matter how many people have played them before and since.

Mike Oldfield is seen playing that guitar in the "Wonderful Land video" on the new "Elements DVD".

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Posted: April 02 2005, 09:46

Quote (raven4x4x @ June 08 2004, 05:46)
I've seen Chris Squire with a triple necked bass guitar (it's on his website if anyone want's to see it) and I can only imagine how much that would hurt your back. Something like Steve Howe does, where he holds one guitar and has another on a little stand at playing height ready to use, would be much better in my opinion.

Chris is a big lad and has been strutting around stages all over the world with that triple necked bass strapped over his neck. He must have one of the strongest backs around!  :D Steve Howe on the other hand, looks far more fragile and lightweight and one can only assume he would collapse under the bulk of such a cumbersome axe.  :O

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Posted: April 03 2005, 22:54

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Steve Vai has a heart-shaped guitar with three necks (two normal, one backwards), and AFAIK he can play on all three of them.


STEVE VAI ROCKS

in all seriousness
One of my Fav Guitarist RUSTY COOLEY has not a werid guitar but a guitar with faned frets. The reason is for him to play faster but I think he is fast enough

JUST CHECK HIM OUT:
http://www.rustycooley.com/videos/RustySolo8-1.wmv

AND YES THAT IS A 8 string guitar


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Posted: April 04 2005, 08:53

I'm in to the Tap-guitar 'scene' and own a 12-string Warr Guitar. I came across Rusty Cooley's site and Conkin Guitars during a discussion about multi-stringed instruments. They also make basses with huge ranges. See this 12-string bass. Try playing barre chords on that! I think the top A string on the Conkin 8-strings sounds a bit silly higher up the fretboard, but it allows for easier scale-playing in the first position

Fanned frets are a patented idea by Ralph Novak although he allows many luthiers to use it. A longer scale length is almost necessary for guitars with a wider range than normal. His own website is at www.novaxguitars.com. In particular check out one of the most well-known 8-string guitarists Charlie Hunter
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Posted: April 04 2005, 09:43

Also Uli Jon Roth has a guitar with 40 frets
It is shaped like a tear drop.


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Posted: April 04 2005, 10:26

As counterparts to all those triple-necked and 12-stringed monsters, here's something from the opposite end of the size'n-weight-scale:
http://www.risa-music.de/English/References/references.html
Cute, aren't they?
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Posted: April 04 2005, 16:15

Quote (Jammer @ April 04 2005, 13:53)
Fanned frets are a patented idea by Ralph Novak although he allows many luthiers to use it.

Yes, and it has nothing to do with allowing faster playing. It allows each string to have its own scale length, which helps each one have the optimum amount of tension (and so avoiding strings of very heavy or very light gauges at the extremes, which can compromise definition).
Novak's patent has been called into question by some makers, as multiple scale length instruments have existed for hundreds of years, and he's never been willing to prove how his system is different from that (it's part of patent law that the patent holder should also provide exact details of how the patented invention works - I've seen a couple people prove that building an instrument to the specs in the fanned fret patent wouldn't actually result in a playable instrument, and that what Novak is building is just multiple scale length instruments like have existed for a long time...). It's never been challenged in court, but it would seem that as long as a builder doesn't make an instrument as specified in Novak's patent, he/she needs ask no permission from Ralph Novak in order to build a multiple scale length instrument...just so long as it's not called a fanned frets instrument.
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Posted: June 28 2005, 21:43

Well, Bo Diddley has also had some strangely shaped guits, some in a bit of a rectangular box, but Bo is a showman in his playing, so it kinda adds some pizazz to the stage.  I have a photo of one from the Hard Rock Cafe, that my boss took.

Perhaps not a practice guit or practical, but it might be cool to bring out on an encore performance.


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