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ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Mar. 19 2010, 10:16 I'm focusing on guitar here, but this could apply to any instrument. I see debates all the time about playing fast vs. playing with feeling. Shouldn't you strive to do both? I mean MO, while not a shredder, is a pretty (actually very) technically advanced guitarist, but anybody who says his guitar playing isn't emotional is full of it. So what do you think? Are you the kind of guitarist (or other instrumentalist) that woodsheds for 12 hours a day, or do you only pick up the guitar when you feel inspiration coming on? Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 19 2010, 13:47 I am more in the 'feel' catagory.I freely admit though that i simply can't do the really fast thing.To be honest the whole shredding ala Yngwie J Malmsteen thing leaves me cold.It's like an Olympic sport and doesn't sound like music to me.  I don't practice nearly as often as i did when i was a kid and learning although i try to play every day, even if it's just picking it up and noodling around in front of the TV.I learn something from jamming with other musos and my band every time.  MO scores on both levels as although technically he's a very advanced player it's never technique for techniques sake and always sounds musical to me. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Mar. 19 2010, 14:22 Speaking as a drummer (yes a person who hangs around with musicians) I found looking back that for the first few years of gigging i was mainly trying to impress the other drummers in the crowd ( heaps of fills & big stadium finishers ) nowadays i just tend to give the song what it deserves Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Mar. 21 2010, 18:40 I'm trying to achieve both a decent level of technique and feel/emotion in my own playing, but I definitely think that the "feel" aspect is more important. I do spend a fair amount of time practicing - around four hours a day, but only about half of that time is spent trying to play fast - the rest is spent on rhythm, writing, theory, ear training, or whatever interests me on that particular day. @The Caveman: I also find Malmsteen's music unbelievably boring. I do respect him, though, for the sheer amount of time and work he has put into achieving his prowess on the instrument. Actually, the only shredder I listen to is John Petrucci of Dream Theater, and my interest in his playing has actually faded over the past months. @Milamber: Haha that's one of my favorite drummer jokes. Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Mar. 21 2010, 19:17 I have another whats the diff between a drummer and a drum machine you only have to punch the information into a drum machine once Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 22 2010, 05:44 I'm sure i posted that joke on here a few months ago! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 22 2010, 11:03 @Syd B.What really pisses me off about Malmsteen is his insistance that he somehow "invented" his style of music.Er i think you'll find Paganini can lay claim to that one mate.Playing Paganini style peices on a stupidly loud electric guitar does not constitute invention.Similarly he insists that his trick of scalloping the fingerboard between the frets was his idea.Nope.originally done on lutes and then used in the mid 70's by,you guessed it Ritchie Blackmore again.  It's one thing to be influenced by someone but quite another to claim to be an originator. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Mar. 22 2010, 13:52 @The Caveman: I don't like Malmsteen either, however in a 2008 Guitar World interview, he stated that he got the idea for scalloped fretboards when he was working in a music store and someone walked in with a lute. He played it and loved how it felt. But that's 2008, maybe he lied when he was younger. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 22 2010, 13:58 Sorry i probably phrased it wrong.He actually claimed the idea of using it on guitar was his. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Mar. 22 2010, 15:15 Quote (The Caveman @ Mar. 22 2010, 20:44) I'm sure i posted that joke on here a few months ago! Newbie alert newbie alert guess i can use that at least once Oldie but a goody pheww w®iggles out of that one Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 23 2010, 05:22 Ok here's 2. Q.How can you tell if the stage isn't level? A.The drummer only dribbles out of one side of his mouth. Q.How can you tell if the stage is level? A.The drummer dribbles out of both sides of his mouth. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Mar. 23 2010, 05:53 Funny cos it's true We also spill our drinks all the time And leave our empty cans on top of our axeman's beloved vintage valve amp leaving a mess Oh and bot ciggys too Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 23 2010, 10:29 Quote (milamber @ Mar. 23 2010, 05:53) Funny cos it's true We also spill our drinks all the time And leave our empty cans on top of our axeman's beloved vintage valve amp leaving a mess Oh and bot ciggys too Yeah.How many times have i told people not to even think about putting a drink anywhere near my beloved Marshall JCM 800! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Mar. 23 2010, 19:23 Quote (The Caveman @ Mar. 22 2010, 13:58) Sorry i probably phrased it wrong.He actually claimed the idea of using it on guitar was his. No big deal, I just can't keep myself from correcting people sometimes. Bad habit, gets me in trouble sometimes... Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Mar. 25 2010, 04:22 It's pretty guldern important. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Mar. 26 2010, 10:45 Quote (Scatterplot @ Mar. 25 2010, 04:22) It's pretty guldern important. Well yeah of course a certain amount of technique is essential it just depends on whether you use technique as a means to an end in acheiving your goals musically or if you use it to showcase just how fast you are and how many scales and modes you know. The late 80's and early 90's were full of this kind of stuff.I used to read Guitarist religeously (still read now but not every issue)and every issue seemed to have a poodle permed shred merchant clutching his skinny necked,Floyd Rose equipped super strat on the cover and the interview would all be tech talk and about the record he'd just released on Mike Varney's Shrapnel Records.  Of course  a lot of people liked them and 99.9% were young dudes trying to play this stuff but it was,to my ears,just a technical exercise. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Mar. 27 2010, 10:41 Hey now! Don't be making fun of skinny necked, Floyd Rose equipped super strats. I was just watching a G3 DVD featuring Yngwie. I had forgotten what a pretentious asshole he is. Not to mention that his guitar playing is obviously prerecorded! I mean, he flips his guitar around his back and there are still notes coming out! Back to top

Michael Hilton Group: Members Posts: 255 Joined: Oct. 2007 Posted: Aug. 29 2010, 22:38 Like most I started playing acoustic guitar in my teens in the 70's.It went from gathering dust to weekly gigs. After a while I bought my first electric, a Kasuga Les Paul custom copy and did the Mike thing; electrified fingerpicking.This opened up a new world of colourful emotional sounds for me, as most people I knew at the time preferred shredding and powerchords and were not interested unless it sounded like Zep or Sabbath. So for me, more so nowadays more "feel" is the way I play, especially with Mr O as a major influence. Back to top

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