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rimbaud65 Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: April 15 2006, 20:22 The 500 greatest albums of all time doesn't include any Mike Oldfield, not according to Rolling Stone magazine. This is rather strange to me, as I imagine to most of you participating here. There is "Ommadawn" for starters, why isn't it on here? Does anyone of you have an answer to why the magazine neglect Mike Oldfield's work so extremely? http://www.rollingstone.com/500albums Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 15 2006, 20:33 Actually, I'd be hard pressed to call "Ommadawn" a rock or rock-and-roll album (or even closely-related soul, disco, R&B, alt, punk, new-wave, etc), and everything I've looked at so far on their list fits pretty closely to the category, which has been the Rolling Stone focus anyway. In other words, it is not strange to me. It's a terrible page, by the way: with some sort of flickering flash (always a mistake in web/UI design) no way to get the entire list, and the "Back" button does not work requiring constant reloading of the page in order to move around. (Also, there is no reason why, with broadband, I have to sit there and wait for the 500 page to load because someone decided to intentionally make it slow). This is the first time I've actually visited Rolling Stone Magazine's web site. Based on the terrible web design, I'm not going back. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

rimbaud65 Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: April 15 2006, 20:45 It's available on other URLs if you don't like the design. The rock-and-roll thing is not the answer. "Darkside of The Moon" and "Wish You Were Here" by Pink Floyd are included, as they should. We can't assume it's a genre disqualification. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 15 2006, 22:15 Where is the actual working 500 list? As for the two Floyd's you named, I'd call those a couple of rock albums. They also included "The Wall". I'd even call "Tubular Bells" one, at least marginally: much of the time it did speak in the rock "vernacular". "Ommadawn" manages to step entirely into its own territory. I'm much more surprised that "Tubular Bells" was off the list as I was about "Ommadawn". Also, in terms of where "Rolling Stone" is/was published, "Tubular Bells" was somewhat well known. "Ommadawn" was not. This probably has more to do with it than genre-bending. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

captainjjb Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: April 15 2006, 22:19 I bet there's nothing by Bach, Beethoven or more modern composers like Steve Reich either.  But I imagine Madonna and The Ramones etc is there.  I wouldn't worry about it, its not about music, its about the business. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 15 2006, 22:27 yeah. "Rolling Stone" is a US rock-and-roll outfit. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

Marky Group: Members Posts: 390 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: April 16 2006, 05:25 I feel sure that Mike could "break" the USA by wearing his stetson and saying "y'ewall" a lot, producing an album of anti-abortion music and embracing President Bush at a Catholic sing-along. So on reflection, lets be thankful for small mercies. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 16 2006, 13:33 It might make him more known (and perhaps conquer Nashville), but it still wouldn't get his picture on the cover of the "Rolling Stone".... -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

The Voyager Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: Jan. 2006 Posted: April 16 2006, 13:35 hmmm.....forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Rolling Stone magazine from the US? Mike isn't that famous over there... Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 16 2006, 13:40 That was my point. It's also a rock magazine, not an anti-abortion country music magazine. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

rimbaud65 Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: April 16 2006, 14:48 I see that you're inclined to ridicule "The 500 greatest albums of all times" by not taking this discussion seriously. Let's say that's unnecessary, Rolling Stone is a fine magazine and Oldfield not wearing a Stetson hat has nothing to do with it. Of course there's nothing by Bach or Beethoven on the 500 list since that classical music not being considered, so why even bother to bring that up? Oldfield makes music certainly well within those categories being awarded so you're all sidetracking the issue. It might be that Oldfield´s records aren't received or appraised in the US, but after all it's a 500 list and that's quite alot of records. Thought he should sneak in somewhere, he deserves to be on there and it's a mystery he's not. Maybe a blunder, who knows? Noticed that Kate Bush also is absent, "The Kick Inside" should have been listed. However, by and large, it's a good list Rolling Stone has put together and they don't discriminate against British music if that's what you think. Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: April 16 2006, 16:27 Not bad Marky, Catholic's. American's, how they speak and their president. And pro-life campaigner's all in one go, -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 16 2006, 18:57 Quote (rimbaud65 @ April 16 2006, 14:48) Oldfield makes music certainly well within those categories being awarded so you're all sidetracking the issue. Noticed that Kate Bush also is absent, "The Kick Inside" should have been listed. Some Oldfield music fits into these categories. Some does not. I'm also not surprised that Kate Bush was left off, even if she has usually made rock albums. She's been a 0 in the U.S. "Hounds of Love" appears to be the most successful album here. I'm not really defending the practice: I think that Oldfield and Bush are likely better than all of the other artists whose albums made the list. However, I understand what Rolling Stone's focus was and is. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: April 18 2006, 01:50 I have the book, '1001 albums you must hear before you die' and Mikes TB is listed, but it is his only one. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

Marky Group: Members Posts: 390 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: April 18 2006, 03:11 The TV and magazines are full of these lists, even books of them abound. They have become a bit meaningless. The fact that few of Mike's albums appear on them is disappointing but the music will stand the test of time on its quality not on current receptiveness to it. That's the lesson of musical history. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 18 2006, 08:42 Quote (TubularBelle @ April 18 2006, 01:50) I have the book, '1001 albums you must hear before you die' and Mikes TB is listed, but it is his only one. I agree. Tubular Bells is certainly one you should hear 1001 times before you die! -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

mink stoles Group: Members Posts: 88 Joined: Aug. 2005 Posted: April 18 2006, 10:45 I don't think Mike's music is "cool" enough for most of the people who buy Rolling Stone anyway and that's just fine by me.  I know it's a bit snobby but I kind of like how I know so few people that are obsessed with or even acknowledge Mike Oldfield.  Makes the whole thing more special - so Rolling Stone can go shove their magazine up their poop chute. -------------- So if you you feel a little glum, To Hergest Ridge you should come. Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: April 18 2006, 13:53 I particularly hate the top ten or more list of Albums that are supposed to have somehow changed the world forever or such like, this statement or ones similar are way to extravagant for any piece of music even more so if London Calling by the Clash is heaped into the mix. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

rimbaud65 Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: April 18 2006, 17:56 I'm defending London Calling's position on Rolling Stone's list if it would mean anything to you. As I've said before it appears to be a very reasonable top 500 list with few exceptions, as the exception of Mike Oldfield absolutely. Kate Bush. I haven't gone through the whole list but I have bought quite a few records because of it, records I hadn't before but wanted to buy now. There could more strange things. A strange position, very strange in fact was Beach Boys and their "Pet Sounds" which is nr. 2, only surpassed by Sgt. Pepper. The thing I wanted to address here was if Mike Oldfield's crowd is quite small, in fact not a large audience at all. Don't know where you from being such fans ( I guess all over the world)? How popular is Oldfield in his own country today? The sales? I'm from Sweden and I started to listen to Oldfield quite early on in my teens, maybe I was just 12 or 13. Beside me I just knew of a few, I had a friend who listened alot to Oldfield and I remember listening to "Ommadawn" on his stereo very loud in his cellar. Nice experience. I didn't have a stereo even back then, just a record player with two small speakers. Then I knew of a girl in my class who played Oldfield in the schoolyard, especially "Platinum" when it came out. What I'm driving at is that it wasn't that many. On a sidenote, I listened to Oldfield quite alot between 14/15 - 22 or something. The followed a long intermission actually all the way up to about two years ago when I purchased "Amarok" and then afterwards "Songs of Distant Earth", records I'd never heard before. Something struck me as original when I first began in my early youth, now again I'm back and I'm listening quite alot nowadays. I came back after so many years. Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: April 18 2006, 18:08 Quote (hiawatha @ April 18 2006, 13:42) Quote (TubularBelle @ April 18 2006, 01:50) I have the book, '1001 albums you must hear before you die' and Mikes TB is listed, but it is his only one. I agree. Tubular Bells is certainly one you should hear 1001 times before you die! That Rolling Stone magazine album poll has "Best Of"/"Greatest Hits" albums  listed in there     ,to me these count as compilation albums and not studio albums.   I think I'll hear Tubular Bells many more times than that, based on an average of listening to TB once a week,based on the assumption that I'll live for another 55 years (I shoud go on to a ripe old age,given my female ancestors have gone on well in their 80's or 90's), I'll hear TB another 2860 times . I could imagine the scene when I get older, I'll be dressing in my hippy style clothes, telling my care workers about what fun it was bouncing around on spacehoppers, Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman was my heroine,a positive role model for women. I remember seeing Tubular Bells  and DarkSide Of The Moon in record shops,when they sold things called LPs. It wasn't until my late teens/early 20's that I appreciated DSOTM and TB. Another omission fromthat chart is the absence of any albumby Queen,  many regard A Night At The Opera as Queen's finest moment.  With Mike's albumsTB doesn't appear in there,groundbreaking,most definitely, but Ommadawn quite possibly more so,as it was the first album to truly include what    would now be known as "World Music". -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

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