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Posted: June 27 2009, 05:33

Just read it again and I'm curious as to why there's no mention of 'Portsmouth', 'In Dulci Jubilo', or even the BBC recording Mike's version of the Blue Peter theme all those years ago. There's not even a reference to his staggeringly brilliant 'William Tell' single.
Does anyone know why this should be?
Both 'Portsmouth' and 'In Dulci Jubilo' were quite big hits here in the UK and yet he doesn't even mention them in passing - unless of course I've somehow missed it.

I mean, it's no big deal or anything, but as a fan I'd have liked to know a little more about the process involved in creating these pieces.
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Posted: June 27 2009, 07:20

Well, the point of the book is not to make a normal autobiography, but a self-analysis on Mike's psichological evolution through the years. Otherwise how would you explain the small single page regarding Amarok?

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Posted: June 27 2009, 07:24

Yeah, I suppose you're right. I was just voicing my disappointment, that's all.

Either way, it's a great read. I'm now just going through The making of Tubular Bells by Richard Newman.


Another fantastic read.
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Posted: July 17 2009, 09:30

Missed this.I agree that it would have been better if there had been more about the actual music but as you say Herod that wasn't the point.What we need is a really good biography.There was one but it wasn't that good called Music From The Darkness.It would be good to have a biography by someone who really knows Mike's music and who understands how the recording process works and doesn't just make it up.Now there's a challenge.Add that to all the other requirements needed to make a good biography.Any takers?

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Posted: July 17 2009, 14:16

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It would be good to have a biography by someone who really knows Mike's music and who understands how the recording process works and doesn't just make it up.Now there's a challenge.Add that to all the other requirements needed to make a good biography.Any takers?

Yes, I am contemplating just such a book. I have recently been made redundant and have more time on my hands. I have another (unrelated) book in the pipeline as a sort of trial run but could start later this year or sometime next year. I have all the resources to hand plus some unpublished quotes from people that worked with Mike. It is a huge undertaking that may take a few years to complete but I'm looking forward to the challenge.
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Posted: July 17 2009, 15:24

Airborne - sorry to hear about your redundancy. There have been a lot of redundancies in the U.K this year, and actually these situations I have seen to be both a curse and a blessing for many people. If your situation is an opportunity to put pen to paper and get it all down what you know about Mike's career, then that's got to be a blessing. I've noticed in previous posts that you have had intriuging conversations with some of Mike's contacts.

What was particularly missing for me in The Changeling, was a perspective on Mike the man - and how he did relationships in adulthood. In his autobiography he said practicallly nothing about the women in his life and his children, apart from his mother. I would still like to know about that side of his life, and how his childhood might have influenced his development as a father...

Anyhow Airborne - go for it - I would buy your book :)


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Posted: July 18 2009, 03:23

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he said practicallly nothing about the women in his life

True! He actually mentioned (by name) only Fanny.

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Posted: July 18 2009, 04:53

I've been watching Changeling for a couple of years. Never read it, but there's so much on the internet, the bulk of it is known to me.....I am in the way of thinking the man somehow wants to leave the past behind. Mentioning only Fanny and no one else....riding his boat to Florida to stay for days at a stretch. We have something in common, he seems to have left his past behind, whereas I carry mine like a briefcase. Mention a year, a date and I'm there, even decades ago. Surroundings complete, my body as it was even at 13, or 28. This guy, having written that book to purge himself of deep thoughts as well as satisfy a need to please his fans, I really don't think he want's anymore. I think he just wants to be left alone. In the last 2 years I've watched youtube interviews out the yin yang and all anyone wants to know about is Tubular Bells(1) and how he sold/recorded it. That would bug me too. I would get on my boat and ride. On the other hand, he was asking for it. 2009 remaster.....bound to be questions? So there's a need to keep in the public spotlight but one to get away. My main observation is this fellow won't do another original CD. If he does, even if it is moderately or highly successful, all anyone is going to focus on in any interview is TB1. To us Tubularians he is a 25 hit wonder. To the bulk of the public, mostly in the USA, he is a one hit wonder. That would bug me too. Yet he keeps going back to TB1 like magnetic north. This has been cyclical time and again. It think it defines him, but is confusing. MOTS being the same song and dance orchestrally as TB1, you all wrote about it. I think 1973 is the temporal nexus he lives in and loves. "The best of times" arent always the most comfortable times. The best time for him being the most memorable one, drinking orange juice and vodka one morning in 1973, after the first triumph. I would live in that nexus too. It's a fine one. And I kind of think of 1973 as a pristine nexus for me too. Yet I can't shake him(his music I mean), those 25 others are gems, they need to be recognised. I guess thats what we are here for on T-net, yes? My 2 cent's worth,
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Posted: July 18 2009, 06:42

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To the bulk of the public, mostly in the USA, he is a one hit wonder. That would bug me too. Yet he keeps going back to TB1 like magnetic north. This has been cyclical time and again. It think it defines him

I think that a good autobiograpy or biography brings a person to life - when it allows you to peer into their heart and soul. Mike succeeds admirably during the main section of his book, up to the time he lost his mother. Reading this part I was right there with him, he made me care and at the same time I was completely engrossed in his creation of Tubular Bells.

After that the book became an empty list of facts - like listening to a driven workaholic. He might have had some concerns about confidentiality - disclosing stuff about friends, x partners and children - but those particulars define him too. Besides, he doesn't finish the story about the difficulties he experienced, how they impacted on his relationships and composing, and the obstacles that he overcame - becoming a better and stronger person.

I also wonder if Tubular Bells (1973) was the best and worst time for him. I think it defines him because that's what he puts out. I don't necessarily see that it's the fault of interviewers when they always ask him about TB. Mike clearly looks comfortable with the subject, and interviewers will sense that. Mike could at any time change the subject or have a laugh or banter with the interviewer, but he generally doesn't do that, he is seriously engrossed in his subject. Now his interview in the thunderstorm was different - there he did seem to come out of the box.

Maybe a biography would be the next best step - with the additional perspective of friends and loved ones remembering poignant details and deeper insights into the man himself.


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Posted: July 20 2009, 04:15

I think maybe he didn't name his ex's and his children by name as an attempt to preseve their annonymity.I was intrigued that he only skimmed over the birth of his kids.I don't know about any of you but one of the defining moments of my entire life was when i became a father.I was at the birth of all 3 of my children and on each occasion it was the most amazing moment.More so with my eldest's birth as she was the first baby i had ever held in my life and she was my own child.From that moment on everything changed.I was a Dad and had bought a life into the world!
 Mike seems to skim over that and only mentions his kids on a couple of occasions.He seems almost dismissive of them in his quote about "i love all my children dearly but....".
Very odd.
Sorry to hear about your job Airborne.It's a bad time.I don't know many people who haven't been affected by this sort of thing.We lost 550  within the company i work for.Go for it with the book!


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Posted: July 20 2009, 13:50

Never had kids myself. Perhaps thats why Eddy is like my son, or daughter.....he's neutered. What a sport tho. I just bathed/brushed him down. Silky smooth. His tail is much like that of a peacock's. Flamboyant, like a thousand strands of silk. Reminds me of my hair when I was 7. I was blonde then. What, if anything, does this have to do with Changling Jim! I dunno tubes. But he's cute, you can't deny that. Eddy is the goods. I'll leave ya to your bagpipes and guitars now!
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Posted: July 20 2009, 14:45

Caveman and Scatter highlight very candidly the kind of emotional connections (even if described in a generalised way), I hoped for a glimpse of in the book. The only real connection Mike described was with his mother.

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Posted: July 21 2009, 13:31

Well, I suppose I have not shared a "tubular moment" in a long time. The "mother" thing. I wrote about a year ago of playing her lots of MO that last night before she died. Among other artists. But MO was very dominant that night.
    My mom had a history of trying to kill herself with pills(barbituates). The first I knew of it, I was 10 or 11(1970-71). Dad had left for the flight/AF rounds around 5AM. I got up about 6AM. It was my habit to run in her room and kiss her on the cheek before going to watch cartoons. This time she was unresponsive, and breathing heavily and slowly. Her sweat gave off the odor of a drug(at that time it was called meprobamate-don't look for it in 2009). So I ran to the TV and watched my cartoons, yet I felt uneasy. Something was wrong, amiss. My Brother and sister(both older than me-in their late teens) were asleep. I woke them. After telling them what I saw, they ran to her room, called for an ambulance and began what was the observed proceedure for CPR at the time(primative I'm sure). Mom was taken off, survived but placed in a psyche ward for some time. We visited her and as the Doors were huge at the time, I'd go home and listen to lyrics like "I'd to play a little game, I mean the game called go insane". For a kid, they were just lyrics, but I think they had some subliminal meaning to me. Skip to 1980. She did it again. Where she got the pills(meprobamate-impossible to procure by this time) was a mystery. Had to have been hidden in a decade-old stash somewhere. I was at a university 20 miles away from my parents, living with 4 roomates off-campus. I just happened to be driving to where my parents lived to do "something", and as I drove up to their house I saw mom on a gurney being wheeled to an ambulance. My car was still moving when I jumped out, but I'd pulled the parking brake, "What the hell are you doing" I said to the emergency techs. My dad took me aside, "She did it again Jim". I learned she had done it once before the 1971 incident. Hence why my bro and sis knew to react that day. Must have been the mid-60's. What a great way to focus on my college studies, yes? And she was locked on a floor of the same building I did my "clinical studies" in. Joy. I did not graduate. I changed my major several times. Skip to 1989.
    As in my year or more old story in another thread, mom and dad were both in a huge medical center in San Antonio. Dad had no future with a malgnant in-operable brain tumor, his fate was sealed, never to leave. He died there. Yet at the time both were alive, my brother was present(a rare occurance). He, myself and mom were conversing outside on the "grounds", she in a wheelchair. She burst into tears and screamed how much remorse she felt at having put us all through that, several times over a 20 year period. I just went numb. I heard every word but flashed-back to 1970 and Jim Morrison's insanity, the cartoons and the looney bin, etc.  Her intent was to "make right" what she had done. I was just....numb.....paralyzed at that moment.
    The rest I put in another thread long ago, in these archives.
I just guess MO had a similar young life....My tubular moment for today, probably the last. I think my Mike Oldfield tie-in has to do with similar backgrounds. Anxiety, his music is full of anxiety, dead-ends, no win scenarios. It sure has been a godsend for me. Good night, morning, depending on where you tubularians are located.
Jim


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Posted: July 21 2009, 16:45

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    My mom had a history of trying to kill herself with pills(barbituates). The first I knew of it, I was 10 or 11(1970-71). Dad had left for the flight/AF rounds around 5AM. I got up about 6AM. It was my habit to run in her room and kiss her on the cheek before going to watch cartoons. This time she was unresponsive, and breathing heavily and slowly. Her sweat gave off the odor of a drug

It makes me angry when parents do that - I know you loved her and all, and maybe she couldn't help it, but God almighty!

It was good she came to her senses in the end and could express some regret -  kids blame themselves. The thing that strikes me is how 'good' a kid would have to be all the time around a mum like that, anxious not to upset her and keen to keep her happy.

Yes, you really did have a similar young life to MO, and like Mike, you say you probably will stop there. (I read, "Been Saving This Story" btw).


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Posted: July 22 2009, 09:29

I'm halfway through this book and have a hard time putting it down! I love hearing Mike describe his history from his point of view, and it certainly adds a great deal to my understanding of his music, and much more.

So glad I ordered this book and can't wait to read the rest!
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Posted: July 22 2009, 09:35

It is a right rivetting read.The gripes about the lack of detail about his music don't detract from what is a really good book that no-one belived would ever be written.As soon as i got my copy from a local bookshop one sunday morning i was glued to the sofa all day and the next till i was finished.I still dip into it fairly often.The over riding impression i got was how naive he was about all the business side of things and financial matters early on.It wasn't untill he nearly lost it all that he seemed to wake up! :laugh:

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Posted: July 22 2009, 18:02

It's got me wondering if Mike's music is a formula which attracts the motherless children of the world - motherless in either mind or body ("sometimes I feel like a motherless child"). My mother's still alive, but she was pretty much a depressive kind of person when I was a kid, and hospitalised when I was 4,  - around about the time she was playing Roy Orbison's, "In Dreams"  over and over. :/

Poor me eh. :) - I needed the formula.


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Posted: July 23 2009, 08:59

You could have a point although i never had to go through anything really bad as a child when i got into Mike's music.
In fact i was very lucky to have had such a good childhood.At the time i thought it was perfectly normal to have both parents around and to have holidays by the sea every year.I later realised that the reason for the holiday every year was because of my grandparents living in Exeter in Devon it was cheap for us to stay with them and mum and dad really struggled financially but my sister and i knew nothing of this and lived in blissfull ignorance.
 However as i got older things started to go wrong with my mental state.Really after i split up with my wife.I got into a lot of really stupid stuff,all of which i have subsequently left behind,and eventually i ended up having repeated bouts of depression.Still happens every few years.Through all this Oldfield's music has been there and i've grown to get a lot more from it.Tubular Bells is still the go to album if things are really getting hard to deal with.It's so familar now that i find it really quite soothing.All this makes me sound a bit of a nut job but that's the way life is sometimes. :laugh:


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Posted: July 23 2009, 10:09

Caveman - No,  :D you don't come across as a nut at all - just normal really [and 'real']. Incidently, having followed your postings for some time, I can't help but notice that you always talk warmly and respectfully about your wife still (or x wife), and I'm kind of curious to know if there's any chance you could get back together again, (- if I'm not talking out of turn).

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Posted: July 23 2009, 11:02

No you're not speaking out of turn.I get on very well with my (still untill divorve somes through)wife.We'll never ever get back together as any feelings we had for each other in that respect are long gone.She's a great mum to my daughters and after 9 years we avaoid all the things that wind each other up.We were too young when we got together and we had the children too young.Typical really.But she's a great person and we are friends.Better that way for the girls as well as we really could not be a room together for the first couple of years after we split without a row starting.
I find bitterness such a waste of time and energy.


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