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bee Group: Members Posts: 1227 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 13:26 Something got me thinking. In order to share our interest in the music of Mike Oldfield, for years we've had, along with others around the world, good ol' Dark Star ~ a great magazine, paper copy, & something to keep & look back on from time to time. It still has great value and in my view an important role to play. Then along came Tubular.net and we log in whenever we wish & exchange views, ideas, find out info etc etc. There are other sites too across the web ofcourse. And I must say at this point a thankyou to the Admins who keep Tubular.net available to us & who ensure it remains a respectable place to visit. So what's next? In say 30 years time, I'm pretty sure...no..certain..that the music will still be listened to & there will be a need for discussion - but how will we do it across the world? What new technology is being developed that we will all absorb so unquestioningly? My youngest child was born into a house that had a computer, so he knows no different. They are part of our lives now. In generations to come what will be normal for ordinary households? I have absolutely no idea about this myself coz I work with plants & growing things - technology leaves me fazed - intrigued & curious - but fazed! Just wondered what you all thought. bee -------------- ....second to the right and straight on till morning.... You heard me before Yet you hear me again Then I die Till I call me again Back to top

Moz Group: Musicians Posts: 600 Joined: July 2005 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 14:49 Good question.  So hard to answer! I've engaged in online communications in a variety of ways over the last 5-10 years.  e.g. chat rooms, message boards, blogs, podcasts, instant messengers and so on.  Some of these have been around for a while, but didn't "go mainstream" until recently.  (services like Skype are newer, but I haven't used those yet) I do think there has been a lot of new stuff recently.  But just because things have been fast for a few years, doesn't mean that the next 5-10 years (and beyond) will have a similar rate of change.  New stuff is appearing, but it's more about consolidation than totally brand new stuff.  Products are maturing.  What's really different is the increase of alternative ways to access the Internet, e.g. mobile devices. I think there will still be a place for conventional message boards in 10 years time.  Not sure about 30 years, but I don't think they will die off completely.  However, you won't just have people sitting at computers all over the world - you'll have travellers using mobile devices at local wi-fi zones to connect from anywhere, to anywhere. But who knows, a lot can change in 10/20/30 years! -------------- Twitter: @benbarden Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 15:10 Quote (Moz @ Mar. 23 2006, 14:49) I think there will still be a place for conventional message boards in 10 years time.  Not sure about 30 years, but I don't think they will die off completely. Message boards have been around for at least 20 years, and they have done nothing but grow ever since. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

arron11196 Group: Members Posts: 826 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 15:23 As a technology fanatic (in a way) I suppose I would say that the thing to expect is a constant evolution, not a revolution. It is very rare that a new technology comes along that isn't basically an extension of whats already there... I mean, the internet itself arose around a basic protocol, and the connectivity for the general user was already there in the form of our telephony network. Webcams, for example, have been around for years and years... but maybe eventually the systems surrounding their operation... the bandwidth of the average user, the communication protocols, etc. will allow a sort of online 'conference call' adapting skype style technology ('peer to peer' interfacing; instead of 2 users connecting to a server, the two users connect to each other) to allow everyone on a sort of virtual message board to talk and join in a real, active discussion. Progressing from that... well, eventually, all technology is really going to do is to bring people together in a more complete way. Text is probably the most basic form of communication; then there's pictures, which could be the next level... a video, a level up from that... then sound... etc. but combining all of those into one unified communication method that will allow the maximum 'idea communication' and least 'padding communication'. Progressing from that may be virtualising the humans interacting in a specific environment... so for example, when holographic techniques find a way to simulate in 3D in free space, we could talk to a virtual room of message board goers. This would further still enhance the communication by giving a common place, or key from which to communicate. This could be progressed further with specific customisation; eventually it may be possible to emulate going to a Mike concert. The possibilities are endless, the probabilities list is rather shorter. The inventor has to dream first though. -------------- Arron J Eagling Everyone's interpretation is different, and everyone has a right to that opinion. There is no "right" one, I am adding this post to communicate my thoughts to share them with like-minded souls who will be able to comment in good nature. (insert the last 5 mins of Crises here) Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 15:23 Hmmm....just came from a talk at a conference connected to that--some in the audience were blogging the talk as the speaker (exec. dir of Pew Internet & American Life) was presenting. Who knows what the future will bring...but he mentioned 8 realities that may guide the future, primarily driven by the Millennials, i.e., those born post 1980- (as bee mentions...the digital natives--and those are folks in the great bell area of the bell-shaped curve, as opposed to those on either end who are waaaayyy wired or those on the bad side of the digital divide)......some of the things Reality 1=the Millennials are a distinct age-related cohort in terms of experience and attitude--one definite aspect is teamwork and collaboration. They also the most culturally diverse in the US, whoohoo!; Reality 2=immersion into world of gadgets and media--expect to gather information using a variety of devices; Reality 3=technology is mobile and increasingly so--wireless and "smart mobs" that can instantly share information (term coined by Howard Reingold); Reality 4= can't read my frakking writing (the PowerPoint will be posted at the conference at www.pla.org)--but it has to do with sharing and emoting online--sharing journals, blogs, artwork, pictures--33% of online teens have artwork; 22% have webpages; Reality 5=multitaskers (they spend 8.33 hours engrossed in some type of media in 6.21 hours--go figure; Reality 7=Technology will change radically in the next 10 years. Computing power doubles every 18 months; communications power doubles haver 9 months; storage power doubles every 12 months; Reality 8=The way that Mill's approach learning and research tasks will be shaped by the new techno world. I've heard all of thise before, but it was nice to hear it from the Pew Research guy. The various collaborative projects evolving here at tubular.net are very interesting, because they embrace the teamwork/ collaboration and technology, but are also wonderfully multi-generational. I think the two keys besides expanding teamwork will be the wireless aspects of technology (meaning you can collaborate from a mountaintop, herb garden, or remote beach), more choices of devices, devices that can work with more things (for example, being able to download Overdrive audios on to an iPOD), information at the flip of a switch or voice activation (being able to get Info Support, i.e., a librarian) to answer your question if you are driving along on a highway at  4AM), being able to access any music, any time....things like this. OK....more than two and if I had time to think I'd add to this, but someone else will be able to do this....I have to run back to the conference! M-C -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

Ray Group: Members Posts: 857 Joined: Jan. 2000 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 15:48 And a few people will be playing the guitar by hand!  Even if there is no lead connecting them to their pictures hanging on the wall - which are actually flat speakers - You can already get these - the LCD picture changes every 43 days.  All guitar effects and amp types will be voice activated!! We built a new house last year and there are no wired in light switches for the lights - just wireless activation pads for nearby lights - and 4 main control boxes - about the size of a large matchbox - that can control all the lighting in the house from you hand. It's comming faster than you may think. I had a discussion with Jonelle (that is my wife and best friend) at the beggining of this school year about getting the 2 children Fin and Erika computors - Jonelle said not to be silly they could share one - I begged to differ.  Today they are both doing their homework, one using my computor and one using jonelle's.  The homework involves internet research - they are 9 and 11!!!! However - for Fin's birthday on Tuesday last he got a PRS cutom SE with moons!!!!!  There is hope. Ray   -------------- Looking out over the harbour in Peel....... Back to top

bee Group: Members Posts: 1227 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 16:02 Interesting replies. Methinks I need to upgrade my mobile phone even though it still works & does what I need it to, but I could be missing out on something virtual I suppose ! And that makes sense about evolution rather than revolution where technology is concerned. Weren't the discoveries of electricity and telephony absolutely crucial? What would we do without electricity, could there be an alternative? Radio waves etc, but the thing that powers it all, what happens if it's not possible to use electricity? @ Inkanta I am going to take great pleasure in referring to my young'uns as 'digital natives' ! I like that. Wish I was at that conference...though I'm not sure how much I'd really understand! Thanks again to all who have replied. -------------- ....second to the right and straight on till morning.... You heard me before Yet you hear me again Then I die Till I call me again Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 16:29 Quote (Inkanta @ Mar. 23 2006, 15:23) can't read my frakking writing Someone here's been watching too much "Galactica" !!!! And if you watch that, you know what the future holds: phones with cords, robots in red dresses, and paper with all the corners cut off. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 17:33 Quote (bee @ Mar. 23 2006, 18:26) Something got me thinking. In order to share our interest in the music of Mike Oldfield, for years we've had, along with others around the world, good ol' Dark Star ~ a great magazine, paper copy, & something to keep & look back on from time to time. It still has great value and in my view an important role to play. Then along came Tubular.net and we log in whenever we wish & exchange views, ideas, find out info etc etc. There are other sites too across the web ofcourse. And I must say at this point a thankyou to the Admins who keep Tubular.net available to us & who ensure it remains a respectable place to visit. So what's next? In say 30 years time, I'm pretty sure...no..certain..that the music will still be listened to & there will be a need for discussion - but how will we do it across the world? What new technology is being developed that we will all absorb so unquestioningly? My youngest child was born into a house that had a computer, so he knows no different. They are part of our lives now. In generations to come what will be normal for ordinary households? I have absolutely no idea about this myself coz I work with plants & growing things - technology leaves me fazed - intrigued & curious - but fazed! Just wondered what you all thought. bee I'd hate to see good old fashioned pen and paper die out completely, it's nice to sometimes read a letter, especially one that's written rather than typed.   I look forward to  receiving Dark Star magazine in the post , even if it's also accessible as an internet download.  Regarding Tubular.net, yes it's great to be able to exchange views with fans around the world in a matter of minutes.  Without Tubular.net I wouldn't have been able to exchange music with others so easily, I've discovered some great music since joining Tubular Board, and I've also made many Tubular friends   .   Yes I'm certain the music of 30 years or so ago WILL be listened to in the future.  I've a nephew of 13 listens to music such as U2, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones, all bands of my or my parents generation.  Admittedly it's on CD or an i-pod, or MP3 player.  I've just about got to grips with a CD Walkman. Let's hope that Ommadawn's 60th Anniversary is better promoted  than Ommadawn was at 30. I'm still waiting for a decent copy of The "Making Of Ommadawn " film. -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Mar. 23 2006, 18:47 Bee, you'd have understood everything, no problem! Guess I could also add that we're the digital immigrants, lol! Think I should also mention that the generational cohorts are determined by demographers and sociologists who ascertain such things via surveys and focus groups, rather than some type of stereotyping going on. Generational research re: libraries is one of my focus areas, and I will admit that one reason I got interested in it was because I bristled at being labeled a member of a given generation. I've always looked for commonalities, how everyone can work together. I initially saw the generational research as potentially splitting. But....the more I learned the more I realised that the cohorts really do exist and there is great value in learning more about each one....and that there are so many approaches we can learn and share and respect the differences--and still focus on commonalities when it comes to work and collaboration. BTW, European demographers have also identified Gen E--the 20 and 30-somethings who grow up in one country, attend school in another, work in a third or fourth, etc. All countries have slightly different generational cohorts and generation-shaping events. Anyway...nuff said (though I'd be happy to share a PowerPoint). Hiawatha: I LOVE the word "frakking." Use it every chance I get, lol! Of course, I'm not sure that I'm spelling it properly, but a double K just seems so....hmm.....well...I like K's as you might have noticed from my name, hehe. (p.s.--that's only one corner of the paper cut off, ha ha ha.) Moonchildhippy: There is already digital paper that is soooo thin that it looks like real paper. Ohmigod! Just remembered a book I mostly read a few years ago on the Dark Ages II: When Digital Data Die. Have to admit that I love my e-audios, but I still like to curl up with a good, printed book! The latest giggle-producer: The 12-year olds who wonder if we ever heard of Led Zepp or PF. OK...breath caught...off and running again! The Future, Conan? The Future. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

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