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Posted: Oct. 22 2005, 17:54

Surfing (yes, I like it) this forum and auditing real life opinions, I have come to the conclusion that, to predict if you'll like or not Light and Shade, or any other "new" album by Mike for that matter, it all comes down to a formula which I will call, if you permit me, the Johnny Owl's formula. This formula is simple: the degree of enjoyment of a MO album is directly proportional to the What The Fuck?! Factor (abbreviated, WTF?! Factor) and inversely proportional to the age of the listener. We can schematize this as follows:

Degree of enjoyment of a "new" MO album = WTF?! Factor / Age                                  

Now, you will say, WTF is the WTF Factor? First of all, it's composed of two parts. In fact, the ?! notation after the WTF is chronological and should be experienced like it's written. First we have the ? (question mark) part, that is, the core of the WTF. Basically, it's that strange feeling you have when you listen to a piece of music for the first time and, in your mind, you go like "What the fuck is going on here?". Pay attention please: this feeling is totally "neutral", no good or bad feelings (yet) - I use fuck here only because I like the sound of that word and also because it adds a certain power to the sentence, no hostility involved. It's just a sensation of strangeness, like a funny taste in your mouth: the landmark of a diverse piece of music, which has the power to evolve into good or bad feelings. So, after this strange feeling, usually after a few moments, you *may* pass into the ! (exclamation point) part: here one could experience somatic sensations like thrills down the spine, cold sweat, even a lump in the throat, etc. This is definitely the sign of the goodness of a piece of music. If you reach the ! part, you just can't go wrong here: the music rocks you.

Let's be precise here. It rocks *YOU*. It's subjective. It may rock a little less another person, or not rock at all -  persons that just stop to the ? part, and (don't/can't: you choose one) proceed to the ! one. But the ? part is inescapable: you can't avoid it, it's objective. Even if you won't like the piece of music, at first listening you'll still be like "What the fuck is going on here?". And then, if you're stuck at the ?, you'll generally be like "I don't like this (insert nasty espression)", while if you reach the !, you'll be like "Oh My God I Love This". So you can see that the ? part of the WTF factor is universal, everyone experiences it.  We may ascribe fluctuations in the ? part to the so-called casual error of social research: one could say in his/her mind the utterance stated above with various degrees of strangeness (for example, from the mild "What is this?" to the stronger "What in the name of the lord is going on here?") but the validity of the ? part of the WTF factor isn't nullified in any case. Obviously, this only happens with MO albums, to various degrees - every MO album, even the dullest one ever. It only happens with MO because what you hear from MO is something always diverse, and also because it's very rare to find Mike-like genius (melodic songwriting, kick-ass guitar, world music, insanity, etc) in other albums by other artists nowadays, artists that nonetheless are worshipped by every cloth-eared nincompoop out there. With MO sometimes you don't reach the ! part immediately, but after a while (here, the time lapse between ? and ! is the period during which the album "grows" on you). In this last case you generally won't have thrills, or sweat. You'll just have a general feeling of renewed pleasure towards the music, like a discovery. And that's fine too. Maybe even better, in the long run: because the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.

Anyway, what is, really, the relevance of the ? part of the WTF factor? After all, it seems just a neutral measure of the "diversity", the "strangeness" of a music track, and not of its "beauty". Well, let me say that this "strangeness" is the necessary condition of any true work of art. "Aesthesis" means "sense perception". The aesthetic object is NOT familiar: it's distant to us, and this very fact attracts us, if we are open for it and give it a chance. The aesthetic object is NOT a memory, like when one says: "This song is beautiful because it makes me recall a special period of my life". A memory is familiar, while the aesthetic object is something completely new. This also means that to judge an aesthetic object we have to leave all prejudices aside. After 9/11, the musician Stockhausen said that the attacks, and the image of the twin towers crumbling down to earth, were works of art. Later he clarified: "Lucifer's greatest work of art". Anyway he didn't have to, IMO - he was speaking absolutely (from Latin absoltus, unrestricted). But let me explain. In fact, what is the purpose of any work of art? Its purpose is obviously to attract some kind of attention, otherwise it wouldn't have a meaning, would it? Better, its purpose is to create some kind of SHOCK. In this sense, Stockhausen was right: 9/11 has obviously had a profound "neutral" impact on the entire world (acting like a perception, a sensation), PLUS it has conveyed a meaning (a concept, a memory) which can be seen as either positive (from the terrorists' point of view, for example) or negative (from the Occident's).

So we have a distinction between a "neutral" impact (perception) and a positive/negative meaning (concept): this seems to me exactly like the distinction between the ? part of the WTF factor (neutral strangeness) and the ! part (I like this/I don't like this). Now: how do we *measure* this WTF factor? At least the ? portion of it (since reaching the ! part, liking it or not, may vary considerably between people: it's tastes and "De Gustibus Non Disputandum Est"). Well, in social sciences and, specifically, social research, it is a known fact that one cannot measure the intensity of a perception directly: the human psyche is unfathomable, so the perception has to be measured through opinions, and the means by which opinions are expressed, that is, the spoken or, in this case, written word. We also know that we can't use an objective meter to "measure" perceptions, but we can use one of the so called self-anchoring scales (Cantril, 1965): personally assigning a score in the range from 1 to 10, for example. Namely, in this case, to facilitate our work, we can define a point of maximum and a point of minimum presence of the ? factor throughout Mike's Discography, so to virtually create a "meter" by which we can compare his works.

Speaking of the maximum presence of the ? factor, the candidate seems pretty obvious to me. Which record by Mike is the strangest, the most bizarre, the most shocking, ultimately the most electrifying/annoying (depending on tastes)? Which one is "Lucifer's greatest work of art", as Stockhausen put it? AMAROK, obviously. This dazzling heap of instruments (are they instruments?) playing together more or less disjointed crazy-fast crazy yet SCREAMINGLY BEAUTIFUL melodies ininterruptedly for an hour, interjoined with morse conundrums, Margaret Thatcher and african choirs, that the casual listener goes literally "WTF" in a nano-second, is THE ?. So, a full 10 on the ?-o-meter (which I will call WTF? from now on). I don't think it can be anything else. (well, yes, the "screamingly beautiful" capitals were evidently a manifestation of my subjective WTF!, rather than the neutral WTF?, but who doesn't think/feel so while listening to Amarok 50:24, Africa I: Climax I, is not human).

On the other hand, the minimum presence could be more subject to debate. In fact, one could debate if such lows actually exist in Mike's Discography. Speaking of recent works, I think that Tres Lunas is incredibly melodically "dry" compared to MO standards and I doubt this album can hardly surprise or shock anyone, WTF?-wise, BUT it has a certain atmosphere which I somewhat enjoy, WTF!-wise. So I'll say TL scores 2 WTF? and 6 WTF!. In fact, as a whole, I don't despise it - it's good car background music.

So, quick summary:

Amarok: 10 WTF? 10 WTF!
Tres Lunas: 2 WTF? 6 WTF!

Speaking of Light & Shade, as a whole, 7 WTF? 8 WTF!. This for the stand-out tracks: Surfing, Tears of an Angel, Resolution. I can pinpoint certain locations (durations) in the tracks where I think the WTF?/WTF! scores.

Surfing. 7 WTF?, 9 WTF!, as a whole. 8 WTF? at 3:54. The whole post-climax (from 4:18) is where the 9 WTF! kicks in, for me. Very specifically, there is a certain "sound" that makes my mind go 10 WTF!: that is, the "yi" of "flying" at 4:33. I don't know why, but I love that one. That second seems to contain millenniums: it has a timeless quality, if you will. Also, on the sidenote, there's a recorded mouse click at 4:29 - or maybe it's just a casual click from the audio. Anyway, purposeful or not, that's a neat addition, tematically-wise. This track rocks me all the way.

Tears of an Angel. 8 WTF?, 8 WTF!, as a whole. From 0:40 it gets that majestic TSODE-like quality, which I absolutely love. Specifically, it's 9 WTF? at 03:14-03:49.

Resolution. 8 WTF?, 9 WTF!. The first time I listened to this, I had a genuine blood-chilling 10 WTF? 10 WTF! at 1:00. This sudden "void" after the initial part was simply great. It was like floating while standing still. It's a pity that, in time, with repeated listenings, this wonderful feeling has been worn out. Like every beautiful thing, after all. Here Plato comes to mind. He said that the beautiful in this world is a way to connect to the true immortal idea of beautiful, located outside this world. It's a pity that, in this world, "the beautiful" is trapped within bodies, within living things. Living things which are fleeting, fictitious: beauty fades over time, and dies.

Anyway, you could say that this practice of pinpointing certain tracks and certain locations from the whole is deleterious. A piece of music should be listened as a whole. Ok, but when we want to do research, if we want to proceed scientifically, we have to take samples, meaningful samples. We cannot evaluate every second of the audio, it would be too gargantuan a work, and unpractical. Also, stuff like this needs to be shared. In a forum, like this. Why? Because of the need for universality of the aesthetic judgement. Simply put, to judge something as beautiful, we need others. We need our judgement to be shared, and we need others' judgements. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder: true, but universal beauty isn't so. Put in modern terms, universally beautiful is what a community finds beautiful, not what a single artist finds beautiful or, worse, a bunch of record fucking companies "find" beautiful, trying to convince us that the crap that's floating around nowadays is beautiful.

Ok then. All this stuff about the WTF Factor. By now maybe you think I've forgotten something I had stated earlier in my formula. What about the age, you say? Yes, the age. Your age, my age. It's very important.

Why? For the problem of bullshit accumulation, which is directly proportional to the age. Here we have two different but somewhat interconnected meanings of age: age of a single man, and age of mankind. See, the ancient Greeks still remain an unmatched model of beauty. They could do amazing things because, unlike us, they didn't choke under the pressure of all the bullshit we have accumulated in centuries of history. They were like a child: open to experiment, mad at creativity, with no prejudices whatsoever. We, instead, are cluttered with meaningless noise: our creativity chokes under its burden. In platonic terms: they copied the idea of beauty directly from the immortal idea of beauty, while we copy copies of the idea of beauty (since we have to fit into Genres, classifications, and the like). In this respect, MO is great because he simply doesn't care about what's going on nowadays, musically speaking. He just follows his creativity, like a child, experimenting (which is the true nature of art, after all: for the Greek, art was téchne, technique). One could argue if some of his experimenting actually makes some sense (eg: Romance, which is subpar IMO) but he is clearly not afraid to do so, reaching unexpected results (Lakme HAS that cutting edge trance sound, if we want to think in genre terms, coupled with guitars, which is new - maybe the track gets a bit boring, but hey, it's not MO's melody that's playing here).

Ultimately, why "thinking old" = "disrespect for MO"? Because there's this rule: difference causes fear, fear generates hatred. Think early MO: TB being rejected by every record company, being "non-marketable". Just because he had something different to propose. Just because he was the newcomer that the "establishment" feared (=hated).

Conclusions:

1. Being young helps being open-minded, naturally. But one can be old and feel like a young, if he/she re-learns to judge things like a child would do.

2. In the long run, it's better not to belong. Like Mike: "I really don't fit into anything categorisable."

3. If you made it all the way through this stuff, I thank you: here. Try the ZibalTone, it's something from my Child.
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Posted: Oct. 22 2005, 18:00

I'll read this when I'm less tired, at the moment it looks more confusing than advanced quadratics  :/

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Posted: Oct. 22 2005, 18:24

Erm, Your post itself earns a 9 wtf? 5 wtf!

Well written, and possibly the longest post ever I've seen on this site.

Boils down to about 3 sentences though.

Mind you, if the link is to your website, and Italian is your native language, I am even more impressed.


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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 04:38

I think you may very well have hit the nail on the head. Good work, Jonny Owl. This explains why over recent albums, my accumulation of BS has allowed me to have a longer WTF? before I got to the WTF!, even though I'm only 21. I guess my life must be piling it on thick.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 05:39

Johhny Owl-WTF factor is for me, 10 for your post and beautiful website combined :D

Awsome photographs - where is this place? anyone who hasn't looked on your site is missing out :cool:
Is the little dog in one of the photos yours? so cute.Anyway,I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusions 1 2 & 3 of course :D
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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 12:19

The formula seems to count solely the age of the listener and the emotions, without taking in account things like objective analysis and something that I call the I've-Heard-Better factor, which is closely related to the amount of other music the listener has heard. The formula seems to only fully apply to someone who's only listening to Mike Oldfield, for example: a person who's a big connoisseur on Celtic music won't be as thrilled with Voyager as another person, of the same age, who's a complete dummy. I'm also uncertain on the age being directly proportional to the enjoyment - unless we're not talking about biological age, of course.

Also, is the formula taking in account a full transition from the interrogation phase into the exclamation phase? There are several examples (see Alan D with Amarok) where the two phases are running at the same time. Also, I imagine there must be some intermediary, or even alternative phases among those two, for example the Yawn phase and the aforementioned I've-Heard-Better phase. Other than that, the formula's quite solid. See some calculations, being the formula ? . ! / age:

The Millennium Bell: 8 . 0 / 39 = 0
Tr3s Lunas: 3 . 2 / 45 = 0.1333333...
Tubular Bells: 8 . 10 / 17 = 4.70
Ommadawn: 1 . 1 / 98 = 0.01
Amarok: 1 . 10 / 0 = infinity

One thing I don't agree with, though:

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In this respect, MO is great because he simply doesn't care about what's going on nowadays, musically speaking.


Jumping on the "trance" and "chill out" bandwagons doesn't count?


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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 14:29

Quote (Johnny Owl @ Oct. 22 2005, 22:54)
Conclusions:

1. Being young helps being open-minded, naturally. But one can be old and feel like a young, if he/she re-learns to judge things like a child would do.

Without wishing to be offensive, that is utter toss! In fact, its the opposite of open-minded to say it! But rest of the theory must earn you an award for endurance at least.
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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 16:00

Mr. Owl there is some nice music at ZibalTone, but your post-What the Fudge?!
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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 17:13

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Oct. 23 2005, 17:19)
There are several examples (see Alan D with Amarok) where the two phases are running at the same time.

Yes, I've always liked to consider myself positioned somewhere within easy reach of both an exclamation mark and a question mark. Thus:

! Alan D ?

(And by the way, if you think I've got them the wrong way round, that's because you didn't realise I'm moving from right to left. Sometimes.)
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Posted: Oct. 23 2005, 17:25

Quote (Johnny Owl @ Oct. 22 2005, 22:54)
Speaking of recent works, I think that Tres Lunas is incredibly melodically "dry" compared to MO standards and I doubt this album can hardly surprise or shock anyone, WTF?-wise

The album alone, no. But the composite art of the MVR Tr3s Lunas experience?

?  ??  yes?  yes??  YES?  YES???  YES!!!

And still, 3 years on, YES!!!!
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Posted: Oct. 24 2005, 02:00

Oh My God Johnny, I got through about 1/3rd of your post and then got a headache and scrolled to the bottom but I will go back and read it in full when my patience allows me too. The funny thing though is that your one comment at the end spoke volumes to me. "Being young helps being open-minded, naturally. But one can be old & feel like a young (did you leave out a word here?) if he/she learns to judge things like a child would do".

I have tried several times over the last few months to try and understand and explain why I, at 45 years of age, while still more a fan of Mikes earlier work, can relate to this new stuff he is doing. And I came up with the conclusion that it had to do with trying so hard when I had my children not to allow a generation gap between us and one of the ways I achieved this, to an extent, was through music. I worked hard to get them to know and appreciate Mikes music, I was successfull with one of them, and I listened to the music that they liked and since they became teens I have only ever listened to the same radio station that they listened to, JJJ, an alternative Australian radio station, and most of my cd buying is heavilly influenced by this station (even though they refuse to play Mike and even denigrate him), while continuing to love and enjoy Mikes music. In every area of my life I have focused on being open-minded esp around my now adult children and it was never more obvious or successfull than when it came to music. On the subject of older people being less open-minded as a general rule, esp when it comes to music, I came up with a similar conclusion and explained it this way. That the things we know and grow to love when we are young are what stays with us forever and therefore make us somewhat 'closed' to the things that come after. In a way it is an attempt to cling to our youth that makes  us 'close-minded' to the newer music and trends etc around us. We believe that what we listened to when we were young is what was cool and it was and we hang on to that belief for many years way past it's 'coolness' use by date.

When an artist that you liked in your youth continues his career well into his 50's you continue to support him but you expect him to grow or age gracefully and for many that means to stick with what he does best or what he did that made you a fan. Mike has tried to get younger as he gets older, and that is a hard enough thing to do just in your way of thinking, believe me, I know from experience, without trying to grasp trends and music styles etc that you know nothing about or are somewhat foreign to you. For me, sticking with the same radio station for 15 years has helped me to do that because radio stations don't age, they stay with the same age group and welcome new listeners and farewell old listeners. My radio station barely plays anything that is more than 3 years old and if they do they call it an oldie! And while that bores and frustrates me occasionally, I simply turn it off, and play one of my cds. As usual, my thought process always turns in on itself and I usually end up denigrating my own arguement so it is time for me to stop.

Just one last thing, as English is not even your native language, stirling effort that. I look forward to reading your post in full and with the concentration and insight that it deserves.

Welcome to the site, I hope you stick around.

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Tracy.


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Posted: Oct. 24 2005, 05:04

I'm not sure to what extent Mr Owl is expecting a real discussion.

But to take it seriously for a moment, the post itself strikes me as an example of the kind of closed-mindedness that he's warning us against. His understanding of the purpose of art, for example ('to create some kind of SHOCK' ) is too mono-dimensional. There's a wide spectrum of artistic purpose, in which shock plays a more or less significant role, and sometimes none at all. Despite the activities of philosophers for 2,500 years, there still exists no truly satisfactory philosophy of art, and I suspect that to seek 'the meaning of art' is just as impossible a quest as to seek 'the meaning of life'. Ultimately, 'life' itself is the only value. And art has value only insofar as it enhances or enriches our experience of life - however that's achieved.

So for me, the whole of this WTF?/WTF! approach is too limited. Art is so much bigger and so much more various than this. Some of my most profound artistic experiences fit somewhere into it - like my first encounter with a Rembrandt 30-odd years ago, not knowing it to be a Rembrandt. But when I first heard Hergest Ridge, it felt like coming home. I sank into it as though I were lying on a soft grassy bank on a remote hillside, of whose existence I'd never been aware. There never was a WTF moment.
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Posted: Oct. 24 2005, 07:16

Whilst I agree in retrospect, I would also describe Mr Owl's effort as valiant. If there is no such universal theory on the purpose / effect of art, then this is a good attempt at creating one. Hats off to you sir.

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Quote (Alan D @ Oct. 24 2005, 10:04)
I'm not sure to what extent Mr Owl is expecting a real discussion.

Could this be his only ever post!?  :O

The mysterious Johny Owl, creates the most confusing topic ever and leaves  ;)


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Quote (arron11196 @ Oct. 24 2005, 12:16)
this is a good attempt at creating one.

Actually - and with respect to Mr Owl - I don't think it is. Apart from the narrow view it takes of art, I think it's more fudge and fog than substance.
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Posted: Oct. 24 2005, 11:53

Perhaps this is his own attempt at putting the WTF?! theory in practice. And to me, personally, it didn't work too much. The Internet is filled with whacky theories, and it's not too hard coming up with one (be it the TimeCube or the "a duck's quack produces no echo" legend).

I don't take the theory seriously primarily because of the extreme bias towards Mike's music. I'd say The Residents, for instance, are a much, much better case to study than Mike, in terms of shock. "Meet The Residents" did utterly shock and confuse me on first listens, and about a year later, I'm able to enjoy it just as much as I enjoy "Tubular Bells", for instance, in the same "natural" way. And they are diverse, too.


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The formula seems to count solely the age of the listener and the emotions, without taking in account things like objective  analysis and something that I call the I've-Heard-Better factor, which is closely related to the amount of other music the  listener has heard. The formula seems to only fully apply to someone who's only listening to Mike Oldfield, for example: a person who's a big connoisseur on Celtic music won't be as thrilled with Voyager as another person, of the same age, who's a  complete dummy. I'm also uncertain on the age being directly proportional to the enjoyment - unless we're not talking about  biological age, of course.


I'll give three reasons why I think this is incorrect: a scientific one (or better, pseudo-scientific, since social sciences can't be perfect), a philosophic one, and lastly a philosophic+scientific one (yes, I'm insane and I happen to have a lot of free time right now).

First, the scientific one. When we want to prove something scientifically, we have to meet a condition: the ceteris paribus condition. This means that all the factors of disturbance (noise) have to be removed as much as possible. This happens (or *should* happen), for example, in an experiment: if we want to test, say, the effect of exposure to TV's political propaganda on the political vote, we have to control all the variables that may interfere. One variable may be the age. For example: if I expose a group of people to TV's political propaganda and then I gather the votes, and I see that the persons who have watched more TV have voted more for the conservative party, can I say that TV has had an effect on vote? No! Why, you say?

Because the group may be different, in itself, for variables other than the exposure to the TV. Probably, people watching more TV are the ones who stay more at home: women more than men, old more than young, etc. Which one is the real cause of the vote, age or exposure to TV propaganda? Do they vote the conservative party because they're older or because they have watched more TV? In this case, the independent variable AGE has an effect on both the dependent variable TV viewing (older people watch more TV) and the dependent variable vote (older people are generally more conservative). In sociology, a relationship like this is called "spurious relation". For "spurious relation" we intend a co-variation (that is, a varation together) between two variables X (TV exposure) and Y (vote), which doesn't derive from a causal nexus between them, but from the fact that they're both influenced by a THIRD independent variable, Z (in the aforementioned example, the age).
So, the researcher, in a case like this, has to control these external variables. This means, he has to transform them in  constants. In this case, for example, if the persons who watch more TV are the older ones, and the variable Z disturbs the  relationship between X and Y, we have to make Z a costant. How? We analyze the relationship between X and Y in groups of  people of equal age.

To sum up, If I don't bother to control the variable AGE, it may very well be that the people that have voted the conservative party have voted it not because TV's propaganda has had an effect on them, but because they're older, and generally older people watch more TV than the younger and are more conservative.

Now, how does this apply to the Johnny Owl's formula? Let's see the relationship between X (the I've-Heard-Better factor you mentioned) and Y (Disliking MO). Can I say that having "heard better" has had an effect on disliking MO's music? No! Why is that? Because it may very well be that the persons who have heard better are older, and older people generally have heard MORE music (after all, they're older) and tend to dislike MO's new music (for the bullshit accumulation problem, or maybe even because they are more conservative). So we have a spurious relation even in this case, with Z, Age, being the influencing variable. To proceed scientifically, we have to control the variable AGE: we have to analyze the relationship between "having heard better" and "disliking MO's music" in groups of people of equal age. For example, we could create groups of people of equal age who happen to dislike MO's new music, and then gather (by asking them) the amount of music they have heard and how the dislike for MO's new music co-varies with it. Only then we can see if the I've-Heard-Better factor is useful or not.

Now, the philosophic one. When you talk about "other music the listener has heard" you are referring to a concept, a  memory. A prejudice, if you will. To REALLY know if Mike's Voyager is better or worse than the other Celtic music you have already listened, you would have to do the following, chronologically (I will call this one the Johnny Owl's WTF? experiment):

0. ERASE YOUR MEMORY.
1. Listen to Mike's Voyager
2. Write down the WTF? factor (let's call it X)
3. ERASE YOUR MEMORY.
4. Listen to other celtic music
5. Write down the WTF? factor (let's call it Y)
6. Compare X with Y. If X > Y, Mike wins. If X < Y, Mike loses.

Of course, the 0-3 passages are impossible right now, but in the future, who knows? Anyway, why would you have to erase your memory? Because the other music you have listened has changed you. Because you have accumulated bullshit, and this bullshit has spoiled your taste in some way, even if you don't realize it. In short, for the problem of bullshit accumulation I stated earlier. Here's why a new-born child would know better if Mike's Voyager or the other celtic music is better. Better: we produce two cloned babies, Jay and Joe, with the same genetic material (since I think genetic material has some influence on tastes). They don't listen to any music until they reach the age when they're able to verbalize and give scores to something, and they are able to understand the WTF? factor. Then, Jay listens to Mike's Voyager and writes down the WTF?. Joe listens to other celtic music and writes down the WTF?. Then we compare the scores. That would be the ultimate test to see if Voyager is better than other celtic music.

If you think this doesn't make any sense, think again. Men have always questioned themselves about the causes. Why something happens, what causes it. Science is based on cause and effect. The funny thing is that the concept of cause is something that no one is able to explain. There is this thing which is called "The fundamental problem of the causal inference". Basically, if we return to the TV example of before, the problem is this: I cannot observe how the variable "Political vote" changes when I modify the "Exposure to TV" variable, on the same person and at the same time. That is, I can't "change" the person's "Exposure to TV" variable to see how the vote changes, at the same time: I can do so at two different times, for example today and a month later, but in this month the person has obviously changed, and his/her vote has perhaps changed for variables other than the "Exposure to TV" one. So, ultimately, I cannot observe the effect of the "Exposure to TV" on the "Vote". How do we resolve this? With the statistical solution. We can create two random groups of individuals. We expose a group to TV's political propaganda while the other one watches no TV. Then, we observe which party each group, in average, has voted. This works because the two groups are random: they are statistically equivalent. They reproduce something average in a population. This solution could be used with the WTF? experiment too: we create two random groups of individuals, who have never listened to any Mike Oldfield or celtic music, or any music, for that matter. We expose a group to Mike's Voyager while the other one listens to other celtic music. Then we compare the average WTF? scores of each group. This might be a viable (not perfect, but still) solution to give body to the WTF? experiment, at least until we reach the day when we can erase memories.

Lastly, the philosophic+scientific one. I agree that my formula doesn't take into account "objective analysis". But how can you objectively analyze the WTF?, that strange feeling you have when you listen to a piece of music for the *first* time? It's a feeling. Can you analyze it? It would be great if we could, but I find it hard even to measure it - that's the reason why this topic has been posted in this forum. It's even more difficult because it only happens the *first* time: the WTF? is a UNICUM, a non-repeatable thing (it's a myth: something that only happens once). But maybe it could be possible to measure the biological response produced by the subsequent WTF! phase: amount of cold sweat produced, "amount" of lump in your throat (after all, it's a muscular thing). And now, come to think about it, maybe it's not a coincidence that Mike's dad was a doctor.

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Jumping on the "trance" and "chill out" bandwagons doesn't count?


That's speaking like record companies would do. You know, when they have to give a label to everything, like MO = New Age, or MO = Prog Rock, or stuff like that. MO = MO. That's all.

And then, are you really sure he jumped on the "trance" bandwagon, for one?

For me, he jumped on the "bad trance" bandwagon. Which means: he didn't jump. A trance track is easy to do: place the usual overused 909  bassdrum and hihat, use some high-pitched reverbered arpeggio or a string with the same overused analog vintage synth , place the usual squeaky bassline with the same overused 303 , go nuts with compressors, et voilà: you got a trance track. A GOOD trance track is harder to do and requires hard work. And it really requires "the muse". If you want to listen to really FREAKIN' GOOD hard trance, immortal trance, look for the early productions of RexAnthony, a real genius in the trance genre IMO (specifically, hard trance). I recommend the Technoshock series, from 1 to 6 (I'll give you a taste: Polaris Dream). I used to worship his tapes like products of a God, actually I still do - his music is mighty powerful yet melodic, shocking yet evergreen. After all, look at the name, Technoshock: we said earlier that the purpose of any work of art is to create some kind of shock. So, I've always thought (felt) his music puts to shame the one by those Paul Oakenfolds, DJ Tiëstos, and the like. Yes, those, because their music is interchangeable: it has no inspiration IMO. RexAnthony, instead, is no wanna-be DJ: he is an artist. Yet, he is so unknown. Like Mike Oldfield, after all. And exactly like Mike Oldfield, his later works have become somewhat commercialized. They seem to want to fit a "genre", to please record companies maybe. "Genre" which equals "bullshit".

Anyway, I think the problem lies somewhere else. I think it's the means by which he creates music lately that have "made him jump" on the "bad trance" bandwagon. "The medium is the message", said Marshall McLuhan. So, blame Fruity Loops, don't blame him. He is just an experimenter. I mean, if his techno/trance tracks suck (take Romance, which *really* sucks, IMO) maybe it's because he hasn't mastered Fruity Loops in that regard yet (after all, TECHNOS originates from the ancient Greek word "techne" which means "technique" in modern English), or because he's lazy, or maybe because Fruity Loops makes him lazy. Which is probable: I know that FL is a full-fledged music studio, and isn't restricted to loops, but to name a software Fruity *Loops* is just lame IMO. Loops are always a bad thing.

In fact, ultimately, maybe the problem is only his laziness. Laziness which has two obvious clues: naming a song after a preset (Angelique), and borrowing a demosong (Slipstream). If you want to read what I thought a while ago about this laziness which has affected him lately, click here.

And anyway, having said all this, I still think it's pernicious to think in genre terms (Trance, Chill Out, New Age, Prog Rock). I know we require them, to identify music and to attract listeners, and I must say I'm grateful to them and to file sharing tools (I discovered Mike Oldfield one day back in the good ol' days when I typed "new age" in Napster's - the good ol' Napster - search facility and TSODE popped up) but I think we should choose them correctly, and use them less. Take MO: "To me, this is not dance music, it's music with a dance beat", he said about Quicksilver. A beat which is a bit lame here in this track, I may add, IMO - but anyway, I think he was right in rejecting the genre. Because, what is a genre? It's a label. A concept. A memory. Music shouldn't be that. It should be just pure Aesthesis: sense perception. As I like to say, it should be a non-cerebral celebration (Johnny Owl, 2005). Celebration of what? Of life, if you will.
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Posted: Oct. 24 2005, 13:21

Yeah, whatever.
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Yeah, whatever.


"Now, what I want is, facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!" (Charles Dickens)

Ok, you want facts? Alrighty then, let's see FACTS. Clear, straight, unquestionable facts. Since no meaningful hypothesis can be stated without facts, let's see facts.

First, an inter-national study. Let's take two European countries (I'll take United Kingdom and Germany) and compare Amazon's Average Customer Review for Light and Shade (which I'll use as an indicator for the concept of "Degree of enjoyment of a new MO album") with the Median Age (indicator for the concept of "Age").

Here are the values at the time I'm writing this stuff (clicking on them takes you to the source):

UK

Average Customer Review: 4 stars
Median age: 38.99 years

DE

Average Customer Review: 3 stars
Median age: 42.16 years

You can clearly see that as the value of the independent variable "Median age" increases, the value of the dependent variable "Average Costumer Review" decreases. That is, the degree of enjoyment of a new MO album is inversely proportional to the age of the listener.

Now, an intra-national study. I'll take my country, Italy. And I'll take two posts from this very forum:

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Posted: Oct. 20 2005, 06:46
 
Moreover... I can't see L+s here in Italy (at least in my region...). How many neurons have the Mercury's people?!? One in two? Grrr...

Andrea

Posted: Oct. 21 2005, 10:04

Where are you, Andrea? Up in the North? :) Down here all shops have L&S... and I mean ALL!! :)

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Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian

Posted: Oct. 22 2005, 14:18

Hi Ugo!  :)

I'm in Trento, no L+s here, nowhere...  :/

I'll wait... :zzz:

ciao
Andrea



Trento is a city located in the north of Italy. As you can see from his profile, Ugo is from Pescara, which is in the south, instead.

Well, check this out:

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Zona - Età media

ITALIA - 42.5
NORD - 43.7
CENTRO - 43.7
MEZZOGIORNO - 40.2
NORD-OVEST - 43.8
NORD-EST - 43.6
SUD - 40.0
ISOLE - 40.7


This data is from 2005 and comes from ISTAT, the Italian national statistical institute. On the left we have the various italian zones: we take NORD (North) and SUD (South). "Età media" is equiparable to "Median Age", the variable we have used before. We see that the north (where Andrea lives) has an "Età media" of 43.7 years, while the south (where Ugo lives) has 40.0 years. That's a lot of difference. And we see that this is reflected on the availability of Light and Shade:

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Andrea (North-43.7 years): no L+s here, nowhere... Grrr...

Ugo (South-40.0 years): all shops have L&S... and I mean ALL!! :)


Also, as a sidenote, notice that Italy as a whole, with a whopping 42.5 years of "Età media", is one the of the oldest nations in the world (which sucks, and badly!).

Now, about facts. Those "solons" who think they can dictate what's good music and what's not, fuck them. In reality, they're just old. Or they *think* old (and I think they should learn to say and write "I think" and IMO every time they judge music, even in those "professional" reviews you see in newspapers and stuff, because, as I said, universally beautiful is what a group of people, a community finds beautiful). Thinking old is easy, rewardful (for a person's mind and a person's wallet: just ask those radio DJs tipped by those record labels' scumbags to "launch" someone) and assures some kind of peace. But what's better, living like a lion for a day (Amarok), or living like a sheep for the rest of your life (Tres Lunas)?
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Posted: Oct. 30 2005, 05:20

Quote (Johnny Owl @ Oct. 29 2005, 21:37)
what's better, living like a lion for a day (Amarok), or living like a sheep for the rest of your life (Tres Lunas)?

So despite all those words advocating openness earlier, here we have Mr Owl praising those brave young hearts who are daring enough to embrace Amarok (which he thinks he understands), and denigrating - even perhaps insulting - those who are equally passionate about Tr3sLunas (the concept of which he has manifestly failed to understand at all).

I suppose it was inevitable.
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