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Posted: May 15 2006, 12:28

I gotta admit that I didn't know Mike used LSD in the 70's and cocaine in the 90's....why haven't I heard before?
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Posted: May 15 2006, 12:39

...also ecstasy in the 90's and in the past Cannabis sattiva

I hate drugs,but Mike managed to escape from'em and he's alive,doing great music for us  ;)


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Posted: May 15 2006, 14:54

He also used coke a lot during the 80's I think. Mind you who didn't  ;)
Actually whats that wink for? I couldn't afford it  :D
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Posted: May 15 2006, 15:13

when did he start with it and when did he quit? I thought mike oldfield was one of the few smarter musicians......but he obivisly he wasn't
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Posted: May 15 2006, 16:06

I wouldn't relate use of drugs with lack of smartness. Carl Sagan was an adept of the Cannabis sativa, and examples of his brilliance and intelligence abound. To name but one.

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Posted: May 15 2006, 16:44

Obviously using drugs isn't a smart thing to do but Sir M is right, and remember creativity and drug use has gone hand in hand for centurys.

Don't know when he started, he certainly said in interviews that he was using LSD and dope in the early 70's. Don't know when he quitted, if he has, the last time he made it public knowledge that he ws using drugs was during his time on Ibiza.
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Posted: May 15 2006, 16:46

I would say that Any involvement in the use of of hard drug's is nothing short of idiotic, as for a lack of intelligence or smartness being connected to the use of lethal narcotic's well it's more than glaringly obvious, only a fool would go near the stuff, it aint big and it aint clever, if Mike has tried All and came through it unscathed, which is doubtfull, he has been very lucky. I very much doubt that I will ever get to the age were I may shrug my shoulder's and think OK drug's are cool, Never.

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Posted: May 15 2006, 16:52

Let's not forget alcohol,just cause it's legal in most countries  , used to excess booze  can be one of the most destructive drugs, go into any UK town or city centre on a Friday or Saturday night  and see the damage, whereas  smoking a few spliffs,generally chills people out   ;) .   I'm not advocating  that anyone goes and gets   stoned out of their minds,but why is cannabis illegal when it can relieve pain and stops shaking associated with MS.

I'll echoTati's wordshere, I'm just so glad that Mike is alive and well and writing great music to delight our ears     :)  :D .


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Posted: May 15 2006, 16:56

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ May 15 2006, 18:06)
I wouldn't relate use of drugs with lack of smartness. Carl Sagan was an adept of the Cannabis sativa, and examples of his brilliance and intelligence abound. To name but one.


Mike once said that natural stuff like Cannabis sattiva was okay to use,to open the mind(in a spanish interview in 92 which appeared on ToroAcu's blog)but synthetic drugs nope.
(link - http://i34.photobucket.com/albums...._01.jpg + http://i34.photobucket.com/albums....02.jpg)

I've always read that coke is an egocentric drug...so...guess a bit...

I do agree with Sir Mustapha's point of view regarding drugs x lack of smartness.The problem is when you have people like lots of artists who loose control of the situation and lost their lives...

Mike's nautral tendency to be on depression states in the past,IMO,lead him to use substances to alter his state of mind.


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Posted: May 15 2006, 17:09

I don't agree with Sir M in any single solitary way, no chance, I don't think I would ever have the Bollock's to say that it's ok to be a drug addict as long as you are good at science or have it in you to write a novel, these people you talk of were already brainy, drug's were just something else they did.No one would  give heroin to a bright school kid and sit back and expect them to get even more brilliant.

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Posted: May 15 2006, 17:26

Doesn't change my view of him in the least bit. He's human after all. I understand the dependancy, I understand addictions, I feel it all. Yeah, so maybe it's not the smartest thing to do, but we've all been there in one way or another.

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Posted: May 15 2006, 17:28

Quote (The Big BellEnd @ May 15 2006, 17:09)
No one would  give heroin to a bright school kid and sit back and expect them to get even more brilliant.

That's not what I meant. I'm just not at all keen on the idea of pre-labelling every drug user as idiots just because. That's prejudice and nothing else. We never know what goes through those people's heads that makes them do it. It might be idiocy for some, but it might be desperation for others, and who knows what else. That doesn't detract from the point that drugs can be way too dangerous, but I'm not objecting to that.

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Posted: May 15 2006, 17:29

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ May 15 2006, 17:28)
Quote (The Big BellEnd @ May 15 2006, 17:09)
No one would  give heroin to a bright school kid and sit back and expect them to get even more brilliant.

That's not what I meant. I'm just not at all keen on the idea of pre-labelling every drug user as idiots just because. That's prejudice and nothing else. We never know what goes through those people's heads that makes them do it. It might be idiocy for some, but it might be desperation for others, and who knows what else. That doesn't detract from the point that drugs can be way too dangerous, but I'm not objecting to that.

This is me... completely agreeing with you. Well said.

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Posted: May 15 2006, 17:31

I must say that I agree with BellEnd - given how fragile Mike's state of mind has appeared to be in the past, any kind of mind-bending drugs can't have been beneficial.  Of course, that may also have explained their appeal - a vulnerable and unhappy bloke looking for an escape, maybe? Glad he seems to've come to his senses.  I still have a tremendous amount of respect for him, though - no matter how foolish he might've been with regard to what he pumps into his body, he still makes truly gorgeous music :)


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Posted: May 15 2006, 17:38

Quote (TOBY @ May 15 2006, 14:54)
He also used coke a lot during the 80's I think.

That's the only one I haven't heard. Not that I'm surprised (or doubt it), but have you heard this?

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Posted: May 15 2006, 18:41

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ May 15 2006, 21:06)
Carl Sagan was an adept of the Cannabis sativa, and examples of his brilliance and intelligence abound.

Oddly enough today, whilst searching for something else, I found my LP copy of The Music of the Cosmos ~ the music that was played during Carl Sagan's television programme  broadcast during back in the 80's I think. I had not heard it for years.

I really liked the music at the time & hearing it again today I know why. The sounds are vast. Music by Vangelis, Bach, Stravinsky & Shostakovich and others all unbelievably full of atmosphere, for want of a better word. Really sends a tingle up your spine. And to quote Carl Sagan on the back of the album sleeve..."Human music is an expression of our thoughts and our feelings, a combination that is the distinction of our species. We dedicate this record to the musicians of the planet." What better tribute to Mike on his birthday?

And as for the drugs issue, each to their own is my view. Mostly we are all free to decide what we do, how we take care of ourselves.

Sometimes I think in some cases it is money that is more at the root of it all, either too much or not enough of it, & an escape from that situation is achieved through drugs. I just really worry about how the very young get drawn into this sort of thing. And they realise too late, when the damage is done.

It's just human nature to be curious about the effect something can have on you, so drugs will always be with us in one form or another. Creativity can be sparked in other ways. Life is a gift, for living.


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Posted: May 15 2006, 18:46

But I agree that intentionally wrecking your brain is not the smartest thing. Penn of "Penn and Teller" fame once made a great statement about it, why would anyone want to intentionally be more stupid?

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Posted: May 16 2006, 04:15

While I'm sure there are people who get into drugs through ignorance, I'd have thought the appeal of them in the first instance depends far more on basic personality issues - psychological fragility, vulnerability, and so on, rather than intelligence. Many (maybe most) decisions human beings make aren't based on rational thought at all (though we often pretend to ourselves that they are, and try justify them rationally afterwards). In particular, no matter what brain power is involved, we all make rash momentary decisions from time to time.

I smoked cigarettes for many years, all the time persuading myself that they were helping me; that I needed them in order to operate properly. When I eventually gave up, I found I could (after a while) operate pretty well without them after all. That whispering lying voice of addiction is very, very persuasive.

The link between creativity and drugs has always puzzled me. Coleridge's 'Kubla Khan' is often trotted out as an example: if Coleridge hadn't taken opium, the story goes, he couldn't have written 'Kubla Khan'. But how do we know? Maybe he would have written something even better? I strongly suspect that Coleridge's sensitive nature made him (a) a great poet; and (b) susceptible to the attraction of opium; but the central link is Coleridge's personality. The poems and the opium arise from his fundamental character, but I fancy they're only related to each other in quite a superficial way.
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Posted: May 16 2006, 07:06

Very true, Alan! Just because there's a correlation between drugs and creativity doesn't mean that one neccessarily causes the other. I personally believe that a sensitive and intelligent personality makes for a creative personality - such people often seek solace in a creative activity (we all know that Mike has stated that his music was a means of escape from the world) - unfortunately, in lots of cases, they seek solace in drugs too. Whether any drugs do open the doors od perception, I'm not really in any position to judge, so I guess the jury is out...


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Posted: May 16 2006, 08:05

Quote (hiawatha @ May 15 2006, 18:46)
, why would anyone want to intentionally be more stupid?

There are lots of reasons! The major reason, as I see it, is that the intelligent and informed mind has a tendency to try to solve several problems at once. A glass of booze or a joint and you feel just very focused for a short while, mainly because you've just become a bit more stupid. Less thinking, less worrying!

This, however, is no excuse to take this chemical shortcut to short-lived happiness. I know some happy idiots, but I'm not exactly envious. And they never understand the genius of Mike Oldfield!  :D

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