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Posted: April 14 2008, 07:00

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‘It feels great to be back at number one after all these years - I'm glad I can still hold my own in the charts. And as this year I regain the rights to Tubular Bells, it feels like I've started a new chapter in my career.'

Do you all feel some sort of re-release coming ?
a 35th anniversary edition with a freshly remastered edition with lots of bonus tracks would be great, don't you think ?

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According to Music Week magazine, Mike's entire back catalogue will be transferred to Mercury Records in 2008 as part of his new deal with them. This is in contradiction to the news we previously had here, saying that only Mike's Virgin back catalogue would be transferred to Mercury. Either way, this is an interesting development, and we'll try and get clarification on the details when possible.

Any news about this since it is 2008 now?


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Posted: April 14 2008, 07:11

Wow - it would be great to get a rarities boxed set.
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Posted: April 14 2008, 08:45

Rarities ABSOLUTELY!!  Assembled and mastered by people who had more than a passing fondness for MO's work!!

A nice 4 disc set of live performances through the years would certainly be welcome, too.
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Posted: April 14 2008, 13:27

"Tubular Bells 35th Anniversary 2 CD Set" would certainly look nice in the Deluxe Edition Series of Universal Music, isn't it  :p

What you can do with a bit of photoshopping  ;)


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Posted: April 14 2008, 13:58

:O  OOOWWW !!!! They could release a series of these Deluxe Editions


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Posted: April 14 2008, 16:26

You bugger!  The first graphic gave me a stiffy... then I realized it was a joke!
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Posted: April 14 2008, 16:41

Universal Records bought V2 Records from Richard Branson this year, so Mike catalogue with Virgin remains property of EMI. That led to some confusion!!  :(
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Posted: April 15 2008, 01:29

Thanks Nacho, for clearing things up...
It would have been nice if Mercury/Universal got the Virgin Catalogue...
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Posted: April 15 2008, 03:23

Quote (Bassman @ April 14 2008, 22:26)
You bugger!  The first graphic gave me a stiffy... then I realized it was a joke!

:D  :laugh:  :p  ;)


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Posted: April 15 2008, 04:13

Hi!

Those Deluxe Images looked really nice.


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Posted: April 16 2008, 08:03

I guess we'll have wait and see.Mike has said that he has the original,fabled demo tapes (the ones with the hoover track)and hinted at releasing them on-line but having them to buy on cd would be incredible.And as for a proper cd release of the QEH gig?????Don't bear thiking about.But what about HR...surely there's not much available?
And a rarities box?Oh god yes.That would answer a lot of people's prayers.Elements but much much better!
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Posted: April 16 2008, 10:51

Quote (The Caveman @ April 16 2008, 14:03)
Mike has said that he has the original,fabled demo tapes (the ones with the hoover track)and hinted at releasing them on-line but having them to buy on cd would be incredible.

I believe there were already (some) demos released on the DVD of TB2003... but I don't play them... feels a bit stupid : watching tv just to listen to music...
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But what about HR...surely there's not much available?

Well, there is the original mix and the "regular" Boxed mix...
Also wasn't there a single around this period? Don Alphonso, me thinks...
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And a rarities box?Oh god yes.That would answer a lot of people's prayers.Elements but much much better!  :)

Yes that would be nice, only the rarities, no album tracks
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Posted: April 16 2008, 12:11

Ok you just convinced me to get the 2003 DVD.The problem with getting an orginal mix of HR is very very simple.It no longer exists in any form of original muti-track tape.When Mike remixed it for Boxed in '76 he actually erased some tracks.Wiped them out of existance and then said that this is the definitive version and the one i want available from now on.Soooo unless there are safety copies in existance,which is doubtfull,then it ain't gonna happen brother.Damn shame cos the original mix is the better one IMHO as i have said grillions of times.
There's Don Alfonso and the Vivaldi in C thing which was around the time of HR i think but otherwise he was quiet (ish).The sheep on Bradnor Hill may well dispute this when Mike took the dogs out or terified them with his gliders.
 Good plan with the rarties.If it's easy to find it shouldn't be there.Early singles and the stuff like Pipe Tune.The real rare as rocking horse poo stuff!!!


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Posted: April 16 2008, 12:24

Quote (The Caveman @ April 16 2008, 18:11)
When Mike remixed it for Boxed in '76 he actually erased some tracks.Wiped them out of existance and then said that this is the definitive version and the one i want available from now on.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!  :O
Why Mike why !?! Why did you do that ????


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Posted: April 16 2008, 12:27

'cos he was a very naughty boy!He was unhappy with it but i always said it was a very extreme thing to do.

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Posted: April 23 2008, 23:41

What does Universal buying V2 have to do with the transfer of Mike's material from Virgin/EMI to Mercury/Universal? That's a genuine question (as opposed to one intended to stir up trouble...), I really have no idea...did Universal suddenly decide that they didn't have the money to buy Mike's back catalogue from Virgin? As I understood it, the plans to transfer Mike's back catalogue didn't involve V2 at all.

I seem to remember someone saying before that Mike had actually erased parts of Hergest Ridge during the remix. Where does that story come from exactly? I've never heard it from any source other than another fan. Even if he'd erased parts from the multitrack master tape, that wouldn't have affected the stereo mix, which I imagine would have been kept in Virgin's vault, and I imagine there would be more than one copy of that, made during mastering, anyway. Unless he went on a rampage and actually destroyed all known copies of the stereo mix (which isn't what the story suggests he did), there'll still be one somewhere. There may even have been a copy made of the multitrack, considering the trouble they had with the Tubular Bells master wearing thin (they copied it at that point).
Tracks missing from the multitrack master would only be an issue if someone wanted to remix the album with those parts in place. I can't really imagine why Mike would have erased them anyway - did he really hate the performances so much that he decided that nobody should ever be able to remix the album to put them back? What parts did he supposedly erase anyway? Considering the way he worked at the time, I can't imagine he really did erase whole tracks - with only 16 to work with, I'd imagine a lot were shared between instruments, in contrast to the way it's possible to work these days, where so many tracks are available that it's possible to have one for each part.

Still, I do wonder how far Mike went in demanding that the new mix be used for all further releases - did it indeed go as far as tapes being thrown away? I'd be surprised if it did...but then Virgin was a slightly unconventional setup in its early years...
It would be interesting to find out if a copy exists, and if so, whether some kind of small scale release would be possible (though I suppose that rather depends on how Mike feels about it these days). Iiiiiiinteresting...
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Posted: April 24 2008, 06:56

Hi Korg.It's in the Boxed booklet.He says he removed what he called 'trimmings' that were added for 'all the wrong reasons' and mentions some of the guitar parts and the trumpet and states that he had "in some cases erased entirely" some tracks.To my ears a trumpet part on side one,the snare drum from the same,and the nutcracker from the thunderstorm on side two,were victims of this.
 As to Mike decreeing that this was to be the new version i think that's in the same (although i don't have it to hand).
 One would have thought a safety tape of the orginal would have been made to facilitate an at least acceptable CD issue.
I don't know what Mike would say to re-issueing it but if Mike's not telling porkies then a cd from the original master tape would not be possible. :(


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Posted: April 24 2008, 18:28

Ah yes, I'd read that before, but my interpretation of 'erased' had been 'removed from the new mix' rather than 'removed from the master tape'. It had really never occurred to me that it might mean anything else - probably because I thought that anything else would really be a very silly thing to do! My feeling is that it was just another case of Mike picking the wrong word, but as he never spoke about it anywhere else, I suppose that's hard to prove.

It would be an odd thing to do, though - all removing parts from the multitrack would do would be to prevent someone else from using them in a later remix. If he was really that hell bent on stopping someone from remixing the album in a way he wasn't happy with in the future, I'd say the only way to ensure that would have been to burn the whole thing! He'd really have needed to have been sure that he didn't want those parts, too - it's much easier to disengage a channel mute than it is to replace parts on a tape you've just erased! Someone like Phil Newell would probably know what happened, though...

The multitrack master isn't what's used when albums are reissued 'from the original master tape', unless the album is remixed for the re-release.
The 'master tape' they use for that is the tape made when the album is mixed, which contains the final mix - in the case of Hergest Ridge, it would be 1/2" stereo, but it could equally be a four track tape (as is the case with the remixed Hergest Ridge) or indeed all sorts of other things, depending on the time the mix was done and the format it was intended for. Mike wouldn't have been working with that when he did the remix, so my assumption is that it probably stayed intact somewhere, unless he ordered it destroyed.
Tubular Bells is a good case in point - bits of the multitrack master have been missing since shortly after the album was recorded (which is why the reed and pipe organ and tubular bells at the end of part one are different on Boxed - they had to be replaced because they'd gone missing, and apparently the Sailor's Hornpipe has also gone walkies). That hasn't stopped them from releasing countless remasters of the original mix from the original master tapes, though! It did make things difficult when they came to want to remix it for Boxed, though...
He did mix some of his later albums down to a stereo pair on his Sony 3348 digital multitracker, but I imagine he'd have then transferred it to another format to deliver to the mastering studio (I imagine his reasoning was that it didn't matter that he'd have to make a copy before delivering it - it wouldn't be losing any quality).

If I can find a spare moment, I'll start putting out feelers about the back catalogue thing. Mike clearly has the rights to Tubular Bells now, even if he doesn't have the rights for the rest of them (it could be that Virgin has the rights to each album for 35 years from its release), which means he's free to sell them to Universal if he wants (whether his contract would prevent him from selling them to anyone else, I don't know).
It's difficult to know how any transfer of the album to a new label should be handled, really. People are rather fed up of re-releases of Tubular Bells, and I can imagine there being a fair number of complaints if the album's re-released with interesting bonus material (of the "they're making us buy an album we've already got 600 copies of, just so we can hear a few rare tracks...moneygrabbing rascals!" kind), but I equally can't see a straight reissue going down too well!

I actually think just a decent quality, cheaply priced reissue would be a good way to go, with some nice sleeve notes. Then as a special release for fans, they could do more of a Tubular Bells companion - kind of like a two disc edition, just without the disc that has all the stuff which fans already own ;). Perhaps a documentary DVD, plus a collection of less common tracks which are related to Tubular Bells. They could include things like Mike Oldfield's Single, as well as things like the Alan Parsons Quadrafile mixes (those would almost be begging to be put on in surround...) and the BBC Radio One session version of Tubular Bells with John Peel as MC. I bet some racking of brains and scouring of archives could reveal a whole album's worth of rare and interesting Tubular Bells related material (hey...my two disc set with one disc has turned into a two disc set with two discs! ). That could turn out to be a really fun project to work on...
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Posted: April 25 2008, 13:35

Either way i would love to see a really good re-issue of the original mix.I wonder if anyone has asked Mike what the real story is cos it causes no end of speculation.Didn'rt know that about the TB remix though.Always thought that the drastic difference was part of the remix.Who would have palyed it though cos Mike didn't actually do the TB remix.It was Phil Newel and either Tom Newman or Simon Heyworth.Cusirouser and curiouser.Cheers Korg.A mine of info as ever. ;)

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Posted: May 12 2009, 06:57

I'd forgotten all about this thread until I spotted it while looking for something else. Amazing how prophetic some of the posts and ideas above are now that Universal have announced what they are actually going to release! Wonder if Universal read this thread before deciding what packages to produce :)

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