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tubular_trekkie Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 07:16 This is probably an indication that I have too much time on my hands, but I think I can see an interesting parallel between the various 'Bell' albums and the different versions of Star Trek. Bear with me- The original Tubular Bells is obviously the original series: seminal; iconic and very, very well known by the vast majority of people. The orchestral Tubular Bells is the animated series: same ideas as the original but different style and execution. Tubular Bells II is Star Trek: The Next Generation: same essential themes reinterpreted for a new era with a greater degree of sophistication and polish; a popular mainstream success. Tubular Bells III is Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: a different 'spin' on the familiar concept; loved by the fan base, but not such a mainstream 'hit' as the previous instalments. Tubular Bells 2003 is the original series film franchise: same basic concepts, but with an updated feel and better production values. And The Millennium Bell? That has to be Enterprise: "it's Tubular Bells Jim, but not as we know it"    (Although that says more about my dislike for Enterprise than it does about any shortcomings of TMB. I like TMB - it's just not really a 'Bell' album IMO) Oh and just to complete the set - I know it's not a 'Bell' album, but 'Voyager' speaks for itself!   Okay, feel free to violently disagree or laugh... -------------- "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future." - from 'Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 07:35 Perfect!   Back to top

tubular_trekkie Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 08:02 Quote (Holger @ Oct. 17 2005, 12:35) Perfect!   Aw, thanks. Tubular Bells 4 will obviously be released when the latest spinoff Star Trek: The Next Next Generation hits our screens (I predict sometime around 2010). Or not as the case may be... PS. I confidently predict that the even numbered 'Bell' albums will be the best. My advice to Mike: don't produce Tubular Bells V: The Final Bell; it'll be a mistake!! Tubular Bells VI: The Undiscovered Bell will of course be a smash though. -------------- "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future." - from 'Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 08:28 I'd call "Orchestral Tubular Bells" the DS9 of the TB series: it is the darkest sounding one. TB2003 is the most "Trekkie" of them, as it does feature an example of Klingon opera. Perhaps "Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home [corrected]" is like Amarok. Imagine the "bat and ball" probe arriving at Earth and blasting the oceans with the F___OFF RB" morse code message. Kirk: "Who is Richard Branson?" Spock: "He was a late 20th century music producer and corporate chieftan. The company he founded survives today as Virgin Cryogenics." Kirk: "McCoy, what do you know about this?" McCoy: "Damn it, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a Spice Girls CD seller!" And so they return, in a verdigris-covered Klingon plane, to the 20th century to abduct Richard Branson. First, they have to reinforce the bulkheads with invisible aluminum in order to withstand Richard's ego and entrepreneurial prowess. After they leave, Quark walks onto the scene and asks "Would anyone like to buy these special-edition CD's of `Platinum'? They are gold-pressed!". Little does he know that his position of advantage in Ferengi society will soon be lost: within days of his arrival in the Federation, Richard Branson will depose Quark's brother and become the new Grand Nagus of the Ferengi. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

MikeAholic Group: Members Posts: 205 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 08:46 I agree completely .... ... you have way to much time on your hands. -------------- I sure hope that Mike realises what joy he brings to us ! Back to top

tubular_trekkie Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 09:12 Quote (hiawatha @ Oct. 17 2005, 13:28) Perhaps "Star Trek 3" is like Amarok. Imagine the "bat and ball" probe arriving at Earth and blasting the oceans with the F___OFF RB" morse code message. Sorry to be pedantic, but that's Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home not Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock. Otherwise known as 'the one with the whales'. Quote (hiawatha @ Oct. 17 2005, 13:28) Kirk: "Who is Richard Branson?" Spock: "He was a late 20th century music producer and corporate chieftan. The company he founded survives today as Virgin Cryogenics." Kirk: "McCoy, what do you know about this?" McCoy: "Damn it, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a Spice Girls CD seller!" And so they return, in a verdigris-covered Klingon plane, to the 20th century to abduct Richard Branson. After they leave, Quark walks onto the scene and asks "Would anyone like to buy these special-edition CD's of `Platinum'? They are gold-pressed!" ^^Brilliant! Star Trek: The Lost Virgin Years   -------------- "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future." - from 'Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan Back to top

tubular_trekkie Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 09:14 Quote (MikeAholic @ Oct. 17 2005, 13:46) ... you have way to much time on your hands. Too true, I'm afraid. -------------- "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future." - from 'Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan Back to top

Bill Bobaggins Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 09:38 Great discussion.  I am a huge Star Trek fan. My favorite of all of the series was Next Generation.  I cried when the last episode aired. -------------- Speak friend and enter. Back to top

tubular_trekkie Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 09:44 Quote (Bill Bobaggins @ Oct. 17 2005, 14:38) Great discussion.  I am a huge Star Trek fan. My favorite of all of the series was Next Generation.  I cried when the last episode aired. Great stuff (not about you crying though). TNG's my favourite too - hence my signature - and it was also the show that made me a trekkie. Captain Picard was brilliant <sigh>. And then they turned him into a dumb action hero in the films   -------------- "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future." - from 'Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan Back to top

Ian Too Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: Aug. 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 09:56 Quote (tubular_trekkie @ Oct. 17 2005, 09:44) Captain Picard was brilliant <sigh>. And then they turned him into a dumb action hero in the films   Ahhh now, they'd say that a film audience requires more action than a TV one... though of course, that would be missing the small matter of them being exactly the same people. -------------- (-: Ian :-) Currently reading: What Remains to be Discovered by John Maddox Also doing far too much decorating than is good for one Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 12:17 Mike the Trekkie. -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

Bill Bobaggins Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Oct. 17 2005, 21:10 Quote (tubular_trekkie @ Oct. 17 2005, 09:44) TNG's my favourite too - hence my signature - and it was also the show that made me a trekkie. Captain Picard was brilliant <sigh>. And then they turned him into a dumb action hero in the films   Yes indeed,  Picard was the best captain by far.  TNG had superb writing, great tongue-in-cheek humor, wonderful characters.  I actually went to one of those conventions (no, I did not dress up) specifically because Brent Spiner was speaking.  He was very entertaining and quite funny.  I loved the episode with Stephen Hawking. Some of Jean Luc's best lines: Tea.  Earl Gray.  Hot. Resistence in futile. Make it so. Engage. -------------- Speak friend and enter. Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 02:30 Quote (Bill Bobaggins @ Oct. 18 2005, 03:10) Tea.  Earl Gray.  Hot. I'd say that about fifteen times a day if I had a replicator.   Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 08:37 Quote (Bill Bobaggins @ Oct. 17 2005, 21:10) Yes indeed,  Picard was the best captain by far.  TNG had superb writing, great tongue-in-cheek humor, wonderful characters.  I actually went to one of those conventions (no, I did not dress up) specifically because Brent Spiner was speaking.  He was very entertaining and quite funny.  I loved the episode with Stephen Hawking. Not to get into big trekkie arguments, but Sisko and DS9 trumped "ST:TNG" At least the show was better, for the sole reason that "Next Generation" had a lot more bad episodes than "Deep Space Nine". Troi's mother in mudbaths? Troi as a cake? The Joe Piscopo comedian one? Over on the DS9 side, I can't think of anything near as bad. ST:TNG's problem was that it went on a season or two too long. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

tubular_trekkie Group: Members Posts: 366 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 08:51 Quote (hiawatha @ Oct. 18 2005, 13:37) Quote (Bill Bobaggins @ Oct. 17 2005, 21:10) Yes indeed,  Picard was the best captain by far.  TNG had superb writing, great tongue-in-cheek humor, wonderful characters.  I actually went to one of those conventions (no, I did not dress up) specifically because Brent Spiner was speaking.  He was very entertaining and quite funny.  I loved the episode with Stephen Hawking. Not to get into big trekkie arguments, but Sisko and DS9 trumped "ST:TNG" At least the show was better, for the sole reason that "Next Generation" had a lot more bad episodes than "Deep Space Nine". Troi's mother in mudbaths? Troi as a cake? The Joe Piscopo comedian one? Over on the DS9 side, I can't think of anything near as bad. ST:TNG's problem was that it went on a season or two too long. Well, although I love TNG (and it's still my favourite if only for nostalgic reasons), I consider myself a 'niner' as well. And yes, when DS9 was good it was really good, sometimes even better than TNG! (Far Beyond the Stars springs to mind). But that still doesn't excuse some of the terrible Ferengi comedy episodes Oh, and I happened to like the Troi 'cake episode'. "It was a cellular peptide cake...with mint frosting"   -------------- "The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future." - from 'Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 08:57 I've only ever seen "Far Beyond the Stars" once, when it was first aired! It seems to not be dumped into the rerun cycle (It's the one where they are 1950s scifi writers). I consider the turning point for the series to be #68, "Explorers". It gave a lot more depth to Sisko's character. Before this, I thought the show "spun its tires" and lacked direction (even though the episodes were good) Shortly after "Explorers", all the Dominion/etc. stuff "gelled" and the show went into high gear all the way to the end. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 17:33 Quote (Bill Bobaggins @ Oct. 18 2005, 02:10)  Picard was the best captain by far.  Engage. It's Captain Kirk for me   .   I could also imagine Mike playing the part of Captain Kirk too. Holger Posted on Oct. 18 2005, 07:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote (Bill Bobaggins @ Oct. 18 2005, 03:10) Tea.  Earl Gray.  Hot. I'd say that about fifteen times a day if I had a replicator.   Me too, I love Earl Grey tea -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

Bill Bobaggins Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 20:50 Don't get me wrong, I loved the show, but DS9 was just a bit too "religious" for me.  I did love Quark and the whole gang of Ferengi.  And Odo too - wished we would have shape-shifted more often.  Terrific characters.  Way better than what came after on Voyager. -------------- Speak friend and enter. Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 21:02 But, which character is Mike? I don't really see him as Captain, either Kirk or Picard. Not Spock or Riker.. maybe Scotty? Or third crewman sent to die? -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

Bill Bobaggins Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Oct. 18 2005, 22:11 Quote (olracUK @ Oct. 18 2005, 21:02) maybe Scotty? Or third crewman sent to die? Oh that is so funny.  You always knew when there was going to be fight and someone would die when you saw an "unknown" crewman with a small speaking part in the scene. -------------- Speak friend and enter. Back to top

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