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Posted: Feb. 29 2000, 15:29

Could anyone tell me, which Guitar MO use for the "typical Sound" in TBIII, SODE, ...? Is it the Fender Stratocaster in compination with the Roland Preamp?

Thanks for any replies in advance.

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Posted: Mar. 04 2000, 21:29

Most of the distorted lead sounds that Mike uses on his recent albums are played with a PRS Custom 22, through his Roland GP-8. He generally only seems to use his Strat for clean sounds - The jewel in the crown, for example.
Some of his lead sounds now use his Roland VG8 virtual guitar processor/synthesizer/whatever you want to call it (in reality its somewhere in between these things...but I won't get into that - you possibly know about them already).
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Posted: Mar. 05 2000, 07:42

Thank you very much for the information. I am very interested how to get the clean sound. Thats the reason I want to buy a Strat next days.
I like the clean sound from MO very much.
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Posted: Oct. 30 2000, 22:30

Didn't he say something about an old Telecaster 'with hand grease rubbed into it for a few years'?
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Posted: Oct. 31 2000, 18:39

Mike does indeed have a Telecaster, which was used a lot on the first albums (in fact it was the only electric guitar used on Tubular Bells). It's a natural/butterscotch blond finish model, made some time in the mid 60s (around 66 or thereabouts). Before Mike bought it, the guitar was owned by Marc Bolan of T Rex. Mike added a Bill Lawrence (US guitar pickup guru) pickup in the middle position. This is the Telecaster you can see in the artwork for 'The Millennium Bell'.

The hand grease thing is certainly something Mike was big on once, preferring old guitars that had been 'played in' by somebody else, giving them a more worn in feel (whether he specifically looked for signs of hand grease deposits is another matter... wink). That was, of course, before he started buying brand new PRS guitars and the like.

Just an extra point for people looking for a budget guitar to get MO type sounds from: Take care when buying cheap telecaster type guitars. Many can sound extremely cheap and nasty (more so than cheap Strat or Les Paul type guitars) - Teles tend to have quite a cutting sound anyway (although with good ones there's a lot of depth to the sound as well) and when made with budget components this type of sound just becomes thin and scratchy, often with the guitar having very little sustain at all. Definitely one to try before you buy (and you may find other guitars more versatile for creating MO type sounds, especially if you're after that 'typical' modern clean sound he has now)...
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Posted: Nov. 08 2000, 05:40

I get a fair aproximation of some of Mike's sounds by plugging a guitar straight into a mixer, adding loads of compression via the insert points on the mixer, then sending the compressed guitar to a chorus+delay then a reverb. By only listening to the compressed guitar and the reverb, I get a fairly good sound.

The guitar I use is either a semi-acoustic (Takamaine) or an old heavily modified Vox electric guitar (I can't remember the make, it's not a Teardrop).

With less compression on the acoustic, you can get the Voyager/TMB acoustic sound. On the electric you get a rough version of the sound from TB3 (esp. S and SOTS).
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Posted: Oct. 18 2001, 10:46

I'm too lookin' for clean sound like MO. Are you think that Fender Stratocaster mad (or Squier strat wink ) plus high compression (about 15:1 biggrin ) plus little overdrive (like Ibanez TS-9) is the usefull way to get it confused ???
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Posted: Oct. 18 2001, 18:19

If it's the clean sound you want, you won't even need the overdrive.

Allan Näslund (some of you may know him) and I have been playing around with this kind of sound. We have come to a few conclusions (this is based on plugging the guitar direct into a mixer or computer, via a DI box, of course)...

A lot of the secret of the sound is in the compression. I had it going at around 4.25:1 though you can vary this a fair bit either way and still have a similar sound. The threshold was around -34db, and the attack time was fast (I started off with it around 0.10, playing around with it got various different results, as is to be expected...I forget which gave the best result, I think something slightly longer).
It'll then probably need some EQ...I found that a fairly large boost at the high end (about 16kHz) together with another in the midrange (around 1.8kHz would be a good place to start, but try shifting it around a bit to see what you get).
Mike has a gate in there as well, presumably to give a slightly longer attack, and to cut out things like handling noises and buzzes.

Mike adds expression with a wah wah - you can create an effect like that by sweeping the frequency of the equaliser's midrange band (with it set to boost). Better results might be got from using a resonant filter, of the type found in analogue synthesisers (you can get some plugins for audio software which will do this job).
There is no reason you can't use a standard wah wah pedal, though that probably won't sound exactly like Mike (but then, it'll never sound exactly like Mike unless Mike is playing anyway...).
The wah wah is, I suppose, an optional one, as you'll still get a similar sound without it.

I found that perhaps the most 'standard' sound came from using a Strat's middle pickup. As always, switching to the neck pickup gave a mellower sound and switching to the bridge pickup gave a more twangy sound (a bit like that Mastermind sound).

If you want to play through an amp, the same kind of thing applies, just you'll probably have to turn the treble control up quite high (but beware of creating a sound that's too plastic, or too cutting sounding).
if you're really determined, you could play through a studio compressor and equaliser, then plug into something like a keyboard amp, acoustic guitar amp (if that's not a contradiction in terms...) or a PA rig for a more high fidelity sound, or of course just a hifi system or set of studio monitor speakers if you're just playing at home.

The way you play is just as important. I find with guitar sounds that you really have to play in a certain way to get them to work right - I suppose it's a case of actually feeeling the sound more. I made some test recordings and wasn't totally happy with the way the sound reacted to the way I play (though listening back to it, it's not actually as bad as I thought...just it's not quite me, if you know what I mean).

I think that's enough for now...
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Posted: Oct. 29 2001, 15:07

Of course no overdrive, but small drve with Wah-wah setings to kill everything up about 2nd harmonics (or lover freg) will make good things too? or not...
but Thanks
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Posted: Oct. 30 2001, 00:38

I wouldn't say that's necessary, but try it and see what happens - you might hit on something you like.
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Posted: Nov. 05 2001, 16:57

So I have tested many things (except this up), used many money, but it's not too good - then i wand to do some safe investment (but low price).
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Posted: Nov. 05 2001, 16:58

Legend:

Marvel = Luke 666
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Posted: Mar. 16 2002, 13:54

Listen to this: http://kebawe.com/an/mp3/indian_test.mp3

It's "Indian Lake", a TSODE B-side. I just added a couple of guitar parts (and 'that' Roland vox pad) to the existing track.

The gear I use is a Cort Pro PRS-copy (it looks like a poorly built Custom 24, hehe), a Zoom GFX-8 (built in wah pedal) and a compressor.

The first part (clean) has the Logic AutoFilter on it, which gives a nice effect. I use both pickups to get a fat and bluesy sound.

To get "that" screaming lead sound you need fairly soft distortion (no Metallica presets, ok? :-)), a lot of compression and last but *certainly* not least wah-wah. *That's* what does the trick, not the compressor. The compressor can't make the guitar squeal like a pig, but the wah can. To quote Mike:

"I compress the guitar with a finaliser but the wah in a treble reduced position helps."

It's also very important to have pickups that sound right. My Cort has the same style as PRS, the tone is very fat and 'oily', and I get a clicking noise at the beginning of notes that just sounds right. The pickups on my Epiphone Les Paul don't work...the tone is a bit lifeless and it's harder to make the damn thing really 'speak'. It has no tremolo so I only use it for chords (it stays in tune much better than my cheapo Cort, and it's easier to play chords on it since the action is lower...if I lower the strings on the Cort it loses some of the playability in the high range and I get lots of buzzing noises everywhere... It's poorly built but it still kicks ass for leads). I also don't like the attack I get on notes...it goes *plink* :-/

I haven't tried any Strat with my current setup so I don't know if it would sound thin and crappy like Strats normally do, or if it would be closer to Mike's sound. I know he uses a module from the old Manor mixer, but I don't know exactly what that does for the sound.

And, if you want to sound like Mike you have to play like Mike, a'right? ;-) Stop doing rock vibratos, add grace notes everywhere and don't be afraid to use the whammy bar..!
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Posted: Mar. 18 2002, 17:14

Sorry for the things i wrote at last - in these days i bought a Fender Stratocaster - it makes realy excelent MO-like sound.

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