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Posted: Sep. 05 2000, 14:44

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Posted: Sep. 05 2000, 14:55

Just a small sampling: Sibelius, Shostakovitch, Rachmaninov, Stravinsky, Berio (expecially for his tape FX...), Mahler (for the long symphonic form), Rossini, Bach, Barber, Vivaldi, etc. etc.

To all the other TW members: please add to this!!


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Posted: Sep. 06 2000, 08:10

Well I'm not expert in musicology, so I explain my idea.
IMO :

Wagner used some 'motifs' or them for each character in his operas. When a character appears on stage, the orchestra plays the character's them, and when another character appears, another them is playes, and the two them are often mixed or transoformed and them reply themselves... Well, it is not always a them for one character as a crowd, an animal or even a 'concept' (fear, love etc...), can be consider as one character.

This construction give to music a very visual sens, perfect for an opera or a movie. This inspire Jonh Williams in Star Wars or Indiana Jones soundtracks.

Maybe some of Mike's composition can fit this, the Wind Chimes, Amarok, The Lake, HR

Mussorgsky may also for same reason had influenced Mike in the way He build music with Pictures at an Exhibition, where Promenade is the recurrent them and each picture is describe with a specific them.

Ravel
Only for the Bolero, wich is a simple 'growing' them, played by different instruments finishing in a big climax. I'm thinking of The Bell of course, and maybe the very last part of O. and some part of Orabido.

Cheers, GMOVJ

PS : sorry for this long post Olivier, if you thing I should reduce my posts, let me know.

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Posted: Sep. 09 2000, 15:40

I believe Debussy was a favourite of Mike's!!
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Posted: Oct. 20 2000, 14:34

I believe that Mike was also influenced by Ottorino Respighi's symphonic poems, especially by the Pines of Rome, which is a little bit similar to Crises...
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Posted: Oct. 20 2000, 14:44

There is an Amarok section titled Rachmaninov. There's a discussion about that in another forum. -Carsten-

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Posted: Oct. 21 2000, 05:50

That's curious. Debussy is my favourite composer as well. I taught myself the Prelude from Suite Bergamasque. You should listen to the Minuet from the same suite and Prelude a l'apres midi d'une faune
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Posted: Oct. 28 2000, 22:14

The question is...which of them have influenced him and which does he just sound like by co-incidence?
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Posted: Oct. 31 2000, 18:51

Also, seeing mention of John Williams, I believe Mike has mentioned being influenced by his film scores before (perhaps this is what GMOVJ was starting to say). I guess you can argue on whether he counts as a classical composer or not.

Thinking about the other John Williams (the classical guitarist, played the theme to The Deer Hunter and was a member of the band 'sky' amongst other things) made me think of Francisco Tárrega. The fact that Mike chose Tárrega's 'Recuerdos de la Alhambra' to rearrange as 'Étude' must show some sort of influence going on there... The actual main theme from The Killing Fields bears some very slight resemblance to some of Tárrega's other studies, though that could be complete coincidence. The simplicity (perhaps I could even call it understated elegance if I wanted to sound really fancy) of pieces like Muse also seem to share a lot in common with Tárrega's work.

Bach we've already had mentioned - Mike claims to have been inspired by part of the 'Toccata and Fugue in D minor' when he came up with the Tubular Bells intro. A small piece of Bach turns up in one of the tracks on QE2 (Conflict, I think). On that subject, there's a bit of Handel in Women of Ireland (as revealed on the newsgroup not so long ago...I forget the details exactly).
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Posted: Nov. 01 2000, 11:56

I think Oldfield is also very strongly influenced by modern composers like Philip Glass, Steve Reich and John Adams.

The whole over-dubbing and tape-looping thing really started with Reich and has been expanded upon by other great talents like Oldfield.
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Posted: Nov. 02 2000, 04:09

In an interview on Across The Threshold: Classic FM (I've listened to it as real audio) Mike chooses The Unanswered Question by Charles Ives as one of his favourites and says that a 3-chord sequence used in that piece has been on every one of his albums.

Sorry that I can't seem to find the file on the net anywhere (drop me a line if you want it from me) but Mike's interpretation of the piece right before it gets played is a must-hear (I won't spoil it by posting it here).
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Posted: Nov. 02 2000, 07:30

Transcript at http://tubular.net/articles/98_09k.html
Mike played it during the interview??
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Posted: Nov. 04 2000, 09:22

No, I don't mean Mike played it himself. I'm talking about a recording of the piece:
Charles Ives: The Unanswered Question
New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Conducted by Leonard Bernstein

Those are all the details that the interviewer gave about the recording that was played.
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Posted: Nov. 14 2000, 15:39

Here's my analysis of CONFLICT (QE2):
1. Triolic Theme (Amarok rhythm)
2. J.S.Bach Theme (flute)
3. Mike's Reply to J.S.Bach (guitar)
4. J.S.Bach Variation (flute again)
5. Romantic Theme
6. Triolic Reprise & Climax
Here's my questions:
a) Is Theme 2 really by Bach, and if yes, where from?
b) Is any of the other themes by a classical composer, too?
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Posted: Nov. 15 2000, 12:28

Hi Carsten
The Complete MO Reference Guide says :
11. During Conflict (QE2) the synth quotes the last movement (called Badinerie) from the Suite No. 2 in B Minor, BWV 1067, written by J.S. Bach.
I think the other themes are from Mike or Trad.
Cheers, GMOVJ

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Posted: Nov. 15 2000, 15:08

Thanks, GMOVJ.

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Posted: Nov. 16 2000, 05:37

Just for Rosko :
The URL that you're looking for is : http://dirk.tubular.eu.org/audio.htm

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Posted: May 08 2007, 04:27

Another fascinating old thread on classical music with a link to a very interesting interview on Classic FM with Mike talking about how classical music has inspired his own work. All useful material now that the classical work is imminent.
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