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moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Mar. 19 2005, 21:10 Can anyone please help settle a dispute between myself and a friend? Who wrote Moonlight Shadow.  I've always believed               that  Mike was the  SOLE composer of Moonlight Shadow.  My friend however reckons that Cat Stevens is the true composer of MS     .  I maintain that Moonlight Shadow is ALL Mike's own work.     This has been bugging me  all day, since Monday in fact I'm unable to sleep until I've posted my question. Thanks for your help from a very tired Moonchildhippy . -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Mar. 19 2005, 21:46 Perhaps your friend is getting mixed up with the Cat Stevens song 'Moonshadow'. I've certainly never of any link between Cat Stevens and Moonlight Shadow. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Mar. 20 2005, 04:24 Show your friend the Crises cover/booklet - there, it can be seen "Music & Lyrics: Mike Oldfield". No Cat Stevens, there's never been any connection between him and Mike at all. If your friend still maintains that Cat Stevens wrote it, ask to see some proof...who knows, perhaps Mike has been lying all these years, and he didn't write it at all, but somehow, I think someone would have said by now... Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Mar. 20 2005, 21:11 Oops!! I've just realised I've left an "of" in the title where there shouldn't be one. Not the best example that an Englishwoman, should be showing to TubularBoarders, who don't speak English as their first language.  I can't seem to edit the error . Lucky I can! Korgscrew Anyway back to the  topic subject. Thanks Raven and Korgscrew for settling the debate.  I think this is where my friend got confused, Cat Stevens wrote a song titled Moonshadow. As I've always maintained Mike is the SOLE composer of Moonlight Shadow.  If however it turns out Moonlight Shadow was "stolen", then I'm sure some 21/22 years on,  something would have been said, by now, and possibly Cat Stevens would make a claim for royalties due to him.  On my CD's/ DVD's Moonlight Shadow is  solely credited as Mike Oldfield   . -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 21 2005, 04:27 When my Dad first heard Moonlight Shadow, he declared it to be a steal from Cat Stevens' Moonshadow.  I guess the older song may have been in Mike's subconscious when he wrote Moonlight Shadow. Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Mar. 21 2005, 17:50 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 21 2005, 03:27) When my Dad first heard Moonlight Shadow, he declared it to be a steal from Cat Stevens' Moonshadow.  I guess the older song may have been in Mike's subconscious when he wrote Moonlight Shadow. Jules Hmmm...due to the similarity of names? To me, the songs have little resemblance except the words "moon" and "shadow."  There's "Mr. Moonlight" which mentions praying, IIR.  What about "Moonlight Sonata?" Right number of syllables.  All of those could have been a subconscious influence, if any at all (which I am challenged to believe).  It's not like George Harrison with "My Sweet Lord" that was subconsciously influenced by "He's so Fine."   Not that this has any baring on "Moonlight Shadow," but there are all those lunar dancing songs (as I type this, I think how fun it would have been to see the astronauts dance on the moon, hehe). "Moondance." "Dancing in the Moonlight." And then, David Bowie's Serious Moonlight Tour, based on the lyrics of "Let's Dance." Besides...didn't Mike indicate he really doesn't listen to very much music?  Dunno when he started not listening to music, but maybe he never heard "Moonshadow." Guess the best thing to do would be to ask Mike.  If when asked about "Moonshadow" he says, "Huh? What's that?" with a confused look on his face or emoticon, you'd have your answer.   -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Mar. 21 2005, 19:05 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 21 2005, 05:50) When my Dad first heard Moonlight Shadow, he declared it to be a steal from Cat Stevens' Moonshadow. I too am puzzled as to why your Dad thought that. I can't hear any similiarity between the two: certainly not in melody or style, nor in lyrics from what I can remember. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Mar. 21 2005, 19:58 Quote (Inkanta @ Mar. 21 2005, 23:50) Besides...didn't Mike indicate he really doesn't listen to very much music?  Dunno when he started not listening to music, but maybe he never heard "Moonshadow." Yes but maybe he therefore remembers those music he really listens to much better than otherwise. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 22 2005, 05:48 Quote (raven4x4x @ Mar. 21 2005, 19:05) Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 21 2005, 05:50) When my Dad first heard Moonlight Shadow, he declared it to be a steal from Cat Stevens' Moonshadow. I too am puzzled as to why your Dad thought that. I can't hear any similiarity between the two: certainly not in melody or style, nor in lyrics from what I can remember. Well they've both got "moon" and "shadow" in there! Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Mar. 22 2005, 06:49 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 21 2005, 17:48) Well they've both got "moon" and "shadow" in there! If that's the best reason you can come up with then you don't have a very solid arguement.       -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 22 2005, 07:44 Quote (raven4x4x @ Mar. 22 2005, 06:49) If that's the best reason you can come up with then you don't have a very solid arguement.   Hey - it wasn't my argument!  The last time I agreed with my Dad about music was September 1971 or so.   Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Mar. 22 2005, 16:55 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 22 2005, 10:48) Quote (raven4x4x @ Mar. 21 2005, 19:05) Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 21 2005, 05:50) When my Dad first heard Moonlight Shadow, he declared it to be a steal from Cat Stevens' Moonshadow. I too am puzzled as to why your Dad thought that. I can't hear any similiarity between the two: certainly not in melody or style, nor in lyrics from what I can remember. Well they've both got "moon" and "shadow" in there! Jules Perhaps that's the connection between Mike and Cat Stevens,  both their songs have both "moon and "shadow" in the title, except Mike included "light" between moon and shadow  .   Does anyone know a link , where I can hear the Cat Stevens song, as I'm not familiar with it.  I tried the HMV shop website,as that allows you to hear snippets of music before you buy, for some reason I couldn't get it to work     . -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Mar. 22 2005, 18:54 Well, it seems that with MS Mike managed to increase the number of people who know Cat Stevens. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

Baggiesfaninessex Group: Members Posts: 682 Joined: Mar. 2002 Posted: April 06 2005, 19:22 Back in 198? my friends at school tried to convince me that Mark Knopfler was responsible for the guitar soloing in Moonlight Shadow. They couldn't believe that Mike Oldfield could play just as well (even better in my opinion! )   -------------- “A dog is not intelligent. Never trust an animal that's surprised by its own farts.” - Frank Skinner Back to top

Ratty Group: Members Posts: 386 Joined: Jan. 2005 Posted: April 15 2005, 19:40 Quote (moonchildhippy @ Mar. 20 2005, 03:10) Who wrote Moonlight Shadow.   I did!!! -------------- Far away across the field The tolling of the iron bell Calls the faithful to their knees To hear the softly spoken magic spells Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 15 2005, 21:17 I thought Al Gore invented Moonlight Shadow. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 15 2005, 21:18 Quote (Inkanta @ Mar. 21 2005, 17:50) David Bowie's Serious Moonlight Tour, based on the lyrics of "Let's Dance." That's probably the only rock concert I've seen, and I had to leave the country to see it. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: April 15 2005, 21:20 Quote (moonchildhippy @ Mar. 22 2005, 16:55) Does anyone know a link , where I can hear the Cat Stevens song, as I'm not familiar with it.  I tried the HMV shop website,as that allows you to hear snippets of music before you buy, for some reason I couldn't get it to work. The lyrics of "Moonshadow" actually relate the song to Mike's "Gimme Back" from "Heaven's Open": body parts being lost. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 16 2005, 20:15 Cat Stevens seems more resigned that Mike, though, about his losses. See here. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: July 06 2005, 04:45 There is obviously no connection whatsoever between the two songs, your friend is just a little confused. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

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