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Posted: Mar. 14 2003, 17:45

I was introduced to Mike by some Hungarian friends - but before then, I'd never heard of him before.  After I came back from a 3 year stay in Hungary, I tried to find some of his albums here and it was impossible!   The only one available was TB.  It took me years to track the rest of them down - often paying $35 a CD because you simply couldn't find them.

I just did a search to find any Mike Oldfield DVD and they are apparently available in every region EXCEPT the US.  What's going on?

Maybe it's just marketing - but why don't they market him here?  He's virtually unknown.  Any opinions as to why?
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Posted: Mar. 14 2003, 18:48

Maybe because of those stereotyped rumours about Americans & culture...  :D

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Posted: Mar. 14 2003, 19:57

Well apparently Tubular Bells was a big hit over here (North America. I'm in Canada), but it was the only hit in Mike's discography :). It's too bad. I'm not sure why that is. North America seems to lean way more on the commercial side of music and, well, everything really. Sigh makes me mad. Everyone at my work is into Hip Hop and Pop and everything and I can't understand how they can like just drums the odd bass and a bunch of other noises....I don't see how that can be popular, really. I think people are really uneducated today. Music has been corrupted! It's an art not a fashion!

sigh...there's my rant for today. hehe


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Posted: Mar. 15 2003, 00:27

Quote (MusicallyInspired @ Mar. 14 2003, 19:57)
Everyone at my work is into Hip Hop and Pop and everything and I can't understand how they can like just drums the odd bass and a bunch of other noises....I don't see how that can be popular, really.

I my country isn't better, everywhere just pop, dance and hip-hop, Mike is known for Tubular Bells and his later songs like "Moonlight Shadow", but not for last albums. Mike's music isn't enough commercial to promote, but maybe that's better. I'm not sure how would I feel when Mike's music would be so popular as dance music :) Anyway I think that's the same reason why Mike isn't popular in North America.


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Posted: Mar. 16 2003, 03:41

First of all, you certainly can't offend me - so no worries there.

If this discussion concerned literature or art or architecture - I could buy the stereotype of our lack of culture.  But in music...  It's not so apparent when you admit that America introduced jazz and blues to the world (no small contribution) - in addition to Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Tom Waits, etc.  I could go on and on.  So I'm not so sure we have such bad tastes...

And would you indeed consider an appreciation for Oldfield cultured?  Certainly Mozart or Bach - but I don't know if I could really classify Oldfield as high culture - as much as I am in awe of him.

I agree his music isn't commercial (when was the last time you heard Amarok on the radio??) - but is Oldfield promoted there in Europe?  I don't recall seeing anything about him when I was there - but that could just be me.  He is absolutely unknown here - and it amazes me.  Not only that, but those people I've introduced him to here were skeptical.  In fact I pulled out my copy of Tubular Bells to torture my roomates when we were having a row - they cringed when they heard it.  

I guess it's the old chicken and the egg question - is he not promoted here because no one would listen to it OR is it that no one knows who he is so they don't promote him?  :/
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Posted: Mar. 16 2003, 06:07

I used to live in Detroit and I didn't see any Mike stuff at all.
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Posted: Mar. 17 2003, 11:32

I dont think that the Americans dont like mike, its just that they have never heard of him. Most ppl that have just know him for the guy that done TB. I think its down to time. Ya need time to really appricate his music, but its to hectic in the states. Another thing is that most of his earlier recordings were all in excess of 20 mins long. I remember during the 70's and even in the 80's when a MO album was released it wasnt uncommon for radio stations to play his albums "Uninterupted", even purly commercial stations. I remeber hearing Incantations for the first time on a commercial station in its entirity on the day it was released. In the very commercialised world of Radio in the states this would be unprecidented. Hence his music never really took off in the states in the late 70's early 80's which was the time when he made huge inroads into the european markets. And now i dont think it really bothers him, even if it ever did.

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Posted: Mar. 17 2003, 18:29

I think the problem Fifu, is, without trying to be stereotyped, Americans tend to be rather insular

This seems to translate to music, where homegrown music is the thing, there is so much variation within the americas (north and south) that usually only commercial music from abroad tends to get through, and slowly at that.

I found on my only trip to Los Angeles a long while back, that fellow USA workmates were grabing my tapes from Britain as fast as I could bring them out of my suitcase and I never got them back till I left, they were well copied.

The music at that time consisted of Mike Oldfields 'Omadawn' 'Incantations', Jeff Waynes 'War of the World' and would you believe it Jethro Tull's 'Song from the woods' Don't know what they made of that one?

I am hoping things have changed for the better in the USA, but you will know better than I.

The main thing is that you have now found Mikes albums, so get collecting and you will have years of enjoyable listening in front of you.

Cheers MO fan :D
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Posted: Mar. 22 2003, 15:12

The reason is multi-faceted. Foremost is the lack of marketing.  For example, prior to the release of Peter Gabriel's Up CD, in Chicago, anyway, there were TV ads--so first there were the ads, then the CD, then the tour.

Chicago has a Virgin Megastore. Considering Mike's role in the Virgin empire, you'd think that there, at least, all of his CDs would be available. Nope--only a handful of titles.

TV promos would be great--they cut across listener preferences. Also needed would be targeted ads in mags. Which mags? Here is another challenge, which has generated discussion in the forums here, as well as on various mailing lists over the years: how do you categorize his music? I've seen it in everything from Pop, Jazz, New Age, Easy Listening (I complained to the store manager that there isn't anything easy about listening to MO), and the Import section. This makes it more challenging to target specific listening populations. Personally, I'd go for Rolling Stone and something New Age. But others as well. Get it reviewed in places like Stereo Review. Hit the online mags.

He should also try for TV and radio appearances. If Mike appeared on Oprah, were marketed in New York, LA, and Chicago, and toured there, I think that his popularity would rise exponentially. There could be lots of angles to an Oprah appearance. (-:  One time I wrote in to Terry Gross' Fresh Air program and suggested that Mike would be a great guest. (That's an National Public Radio program.) He could also be on NPR's All Things Considered, which airs during the rush-hour drive home. Oh--and an MTV/VHS video. Need one of those.  For the MVR game, he should also be attending the major gaming shows. That's another entire audience. Wonder what the overlap would be between gamers and listeners?

Without doing a spot of research which I don't have time to do, I don't know offhand demographic information regarding USA residents' listening habits.  How many CDs, audiotapes, etc. are sold each year? How do sales break out by type of music? What age group? There is such a diversity of musical interests, and Mike's stuff cuts across many categories. That will make it easier and more difficult at the same time.

It's amazing to me how many people have actually heard of Mike, or have listened to him. We had stopped to refuel tank and tummies on a road trip in mid-Ohio several years ago. I was sporting an MO t-shirt and ended up giving a restaurant worker the web address for Dark Star and tubular.net. (-:
Sometimes people recognize the tubular bell decal on the back of my car (though others think its a pipe and the AMAROK license plate is a cult, makes me a Simon & Garfunkel fan, or is a theosophical society).

It seems to me that if a well-planned, concerted effort were made to market Mike's material, that more would indeed like Mike's music. To hear it is to like it. :)  Even my mother liked Voyager and Guitars. My stepdaughter has gone on to buy some of his albums independent of gifts from me.

So....he needs a solid marketing plan, if he is interested in the USA market. The alternative is to not bother. Rely on the relatively few of us to import the CDs, spread the music to our friends and relatives.  If I were Mike & record company and had the fortitude & energy, I'd mount one last marketing campaign for the USA and see what happens.
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Posted: Mar. 24 2003, 12:46

I think that his current choice of record company may limit the amount of marketing in the USA.
If they were an independent Spanish label, they might have an interest in expanding their market into new territories, but of course Warner Spain are a local arm of a multinational American owned label. I'd think they exist more to appeal to local (spanish) interest than to provide worldwide marketing for an artist like Mike (perhaps if he was an up and coming Spanish artist who was deemed to have wider appeal, they'd be more interested) - witness the marketing situation with Tres Lunas in the UK, an existing market for his work. It seems to me that Mike has been taken up by Warner Spain because he's deemed by the record companies as being of less interest to those further afield.
Breaking properly into the US market could be a tricky one - if the big record companies aren't interested in backing him, that would suggest an independent label, but of course it has to be one with the distribution channels to be able to get his albums onto shelves in every shop. Some good can be done via TV appearances and so on, which Mike doesn't need a record company to organise, but if people can't get hold of the albums after seeing him, they'll do almost no good at all (really, I'd say the albums have to not only be advertised, but also in a visible position in shops - I can only speak for myself, but I'd not necessarily go looking for a product after seeing it advertised, but if I happened to come across it in a shop and remembered the advertisement, I might take a closer look).
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Posted: Mar. 24 2003, 14:06

If you check the news section, you'll see that there is a new region 1 DVD of Mike coming out soon. I imagine in that case that the new Tubular Bells DVD will be released on Region 1 as well...

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